Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!uwm.edu!gem.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!henry.jpl.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!aero!hnewstrom@x102a.harris-atd.com From: hnewstrom@x102a.harris-atd.com (Harvey Newstrom) Newsgroups: soc.feminism Subject: Re: Feminism in the Craft Message-ID: <2864@trantor.harris-atd.com> Date: 10 Nov 89 18:48:22 GMT References: <891027.001438600@Prime> <2826@trantor.harris-atd.com> <7381@sdcsvax.UCSD.Edu> Sender: nadel@aerospace.aero.org Reply-To: hnewstrom@x102a.harris-atd.com (Harvey Newstrom) Organization: Harris_Corp Electronic_Systems Informations_Systems Software Lines: 24 Approved: nadel@aerspace.aero.org In article <7381@sdcsvax.UCSD.Edu> bloch%mandrill@ucsd.edu (Steve Bloch) writes: >hnewstrom@x102a.harris-atd.com (Harvey Newstrom) writes: >>[Adler] also says that in her search for covens to research, she found all-female >>covens, mixed covens, and gay-male covens, but has never found nor hear of an >>all-straight-male coven. >> >>Although I don't like to believe that Wicca is female-only, I do see it as not >>appealing to most traditional straight males. > >What does "traditional" mean here? [....] > I meant "typical" straight male who believes that males are superior. [Note that the quotation marks imply that Harvey does not think this is really the norm. Otherwise, I would have asked for a rewrite of this sentence. - MHN] >Now, I don't see any a priori reason Wicca should appeal more to gay >men than to straight men, or more to women than to men, except that >straight men have something "better": powerful, established religions >and social structures that tell them they're wonderful. [....] Bingo. Most religions teach that men are superior to women. To embrace Wicca, a man would have to admit that women are equal. He also would have to admit that being "effeminate" is not inferior to being "masculine". __ Harvey Newstrom (hnewstrom@x102a.harris-atd.com) (uunet!x102a!hnewstrom)