Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!lll-winken!decwrl!henry.jpl.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!aero!jan@orc.olivetti.com From: jan@orc.olivetti.com (Jan Parcel) Newsgroups: soc.feminism Subject: Re: Feminism in the Craft Message-ID: <61131@aerospace.AERO.ORG> Date: 14 Nov 89 02:10:40 GMT Sender: nadel@aerospace.aero.org Reply-To: jan@orc.olivetti.com Lines: 43 Approved: nadel@aerospace.aero.org Organization: >Steve Bloch writes: > >>[...]straight men have something "better": powerful, established religions >>and social structures that tell them they're wonderful. > >Social structures, maybe. But religions? Which religions? This seems like >an overgeneralization. > >Charley Wingate > For an analysis of the subconscious effect on both men and women of worshipping the "Father", and of worshipping God as male, or even of being an atheist in a male-God-worshipping society, read "The Changing of the Gods" (I think by Judy Goldberg, not sure), and "WomanSpirit Rising", by Carol Christ and Judith Plaskow. I personally found that just calling God "she" for 6 weeks (seriously, including picturing Her giving birth to the universe and spreading Her skirts over the Heavens) was a very scary and life-changing experience. In essence, until you invert the usual practice, the effects are powerful but invisible. Whether you are a Christian, a new-ager, or even if you are an atheist, try referring to the God that does or doesn't exist as "She". If you think you are advanced past the point where this would affect you, I can only say I thought so too, but there is a big difference between holding an intellectual opinion that God is genderless or that the ways you use to refer to God are unimportant versus actually experimenting with vocalization and visualization. If you believe it would be evil to refer to God as "she" for 6 weeks, then the point that it affects us very strongly is already made. Also, a thought experiment: imagine confessing something like wife-beating to 1. God (male), who created the Universe and can throw thunderbolts, vs 2. God (female), who created the Universe and can throw thunderbolts. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The Universal Consciousness cannot be confined to any of the 5 genders, but we must worship Uy as each in turn in order to keep a balanced outlook." -- St. Xphlcyb of Alpha III