Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: harry@atmos.washington.edu (Harry Edmon) Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Re: HUMAN VERSES SINLESS Message-ID: Date: 10 Nov 89 07:27:53 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Organization: Dept. of Atmospheric Sciences, University of Washington Lines: 37 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu Andrew Springman writes: > 1) Humans are defined as sinners. > > Now, I am sorry to disagree with so many people throughout History, but > humans are not created as sinners. "For all have sinned and fall short the > glory of God." is very true but notice it says sinned, not sinned from > conception. The justification for being in the state of sin from conception is found in Psalm 51:5 (NIV): "Surely I have been a sinner from birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me." > 2) Humans are confined to sin until heaven. > > To this I ask what the Resurection and the Cross were all about? What > does it mean that our old selves are crucified with Christ and that we are new > creations and that we are washed in the blood of Jesus, white as snow. Why > can't we walk in holiness? Who's to stop us if God is with us? The point of the Resurrection and the Cross is not that we are suddenly able to stop sinning. Paul expresses this wonderfully in Romans 7:14-25. The point of the Cross is that the debt for our sins is paid, including the sins I continue to commit after I have faith in Jesus. > 3) Those people who are walking in the light are not being praised. > > If anyone should be praised it should be sinless humans not sinful humans. The praise goes not to falible humans, but to our Perfect God in heaven, who blots out our sins by His love. -- Harry Edmon INTERNET: harry@atmos.washington.edu (206) 543-0547 UUCP: uw-beaver!atmos.washington.edu!harry Dept of Atmospheric Sciences, AK-40 University of Washington