Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!wuarchive!cs.utexas.edu!rutgers!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: jhpb@lancia.garage.att.com Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Re: Once Saved Always Saved Message-ID: Date: 15 Nov 89 09:46:20 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Organization: AT&T Bell Labs (Liberty Corner) Lines: 14 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu How does what happened to Jimmy Swaggart fit in with "once saved, always saved"? The way I see the "once saved, always saved" issue, we always retain our ability to reject God's grace, until we're dead. Joe Buehler [Of course Swaggart's experience doesn't necessarily mean that he is damned, just that he has fallen for the moment. The idea of perseverence is not that the elect make no mistakes, are spared all doubts, etc. It is really a consequence of passages such as Jn 6:39-40 or Jn 10:29, which teach confidence that those who have been given to Christ will be preserved. --clh]