Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!rutgers!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: jhpb@lancia.garage.att.com Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Re: transubstantiation... Message-ID: Date: 15 Nov 89 09:47:18 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Organization: AT&T Bell Labs (Liberty Corner) Lines: 32 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu As a charasmatic protestant with no church ties(i have one fish tie:-) just kidding, i read the nt communion of our Lord to be a memmorial and not a continous sacrifice, but i can find backing for this in Hebrews and Romans, if read as a child. Here is a passage from St. Augustine, writing around 425 A.D., in a sermon against the Jews: "'From the rising of the sun even to its setting My name is great among the Gentiles, and in every place sacrifice is offered to My name, a clean oblation; for My name is great among the Gentiles,' says the Lord Almighty." What do you answer to that? Open your eyes at last, then, any time, and see, from the rising of the sun to its setting, the Sacrifice of Christians is offered, not in one place only, as was established with you Jews, but everywhere; and not to just any god at all, but to Him who foretold it, the God of Israel... Not in one place, as was prescribed for you in the earthly Jerusalem, but in every place, even in Jerusalem herself. Not according to the order of Aaron, but according to the order of Melchidesech. The verse quoted is Malachias 1:11. It has thus been viewed as a prophecy of the Mass since at least the days of the Fathers. Melchisedech offered bread and wine. There is a verse referring to the Messiah in one of the Psalms: "Thou art a priest forever according to the order of Melchisedech." There is lots of interesting material in patrology collections on this subject. Joe Buehler