Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!mailrus!wuarchive!texbell!vector!telecom-gateway From: zweig@brutus.cs.uiuc.edu (Johnny Zweig) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom Subject: Re: TCP/IP over ISDN Basic Rate Message-ID: Date: 16 Nov 89 18:27:01 GMT Sender: news@vector.Dallas.TX.US Reply-To: zweig@cs.uiuc.edu Organization: U of Illinois, CS Dept., Systems Research Group Lines: 32 Approved: telecom-request@vector.dallas.tx.us X-Submissions-To: telecom@eecs.nwu.edu X-Administrivia-To: telecom-request@vector.dallas.tx.us X-TELECOM-Digest: volume 9, issue 516, message 4 of 11 A codec needs a byte-stream. If ISDN is going to be used with real live 8-bit codecs, there will have to be a byte-stream protocol on the wire. The frames already contain D-channel data as well as off-hook/on-hook bits (or at least that is the Party Line), so no need to do ugly nonsense like robbing the 8th bit. I can whip up a SLIP at 64000bps that will make me happy if I have a line that takes 8000 bytes every second and hands them to whoever I called. Routing and other considerations are research-problems and belong in comp.protocols.tcp-ip. I just want as many bytes/second as I can squeeze out of the wire. SLIP is a framing-protocol, so forget HDLC. I promise to be the only one using the bits. I just don't get this business of taking a byte-stream protocol and layering a bit-stream protocol on it (lowering the bandwidth available to payload), and then putting a byte-stream on that (using, say, bit-stuffing and further lowering available horsepower). Could someone please explain? It seems dumb. Now, if I envision having several interfaces contending for the 64kps, I need a medium-access protocol such as HDLC. Fine. Let me call someone who speaks HDLC if I want to use HDLC -- otherwise, let me use all the bits and call someone who expects that. HDLC is a bit-oriented protocol (see Tanenbaum, "Computer Networks", p. 254). It seems inappropriate, wasteful and silly to use it on a byte-oriented physical medium (which ISDN has to be to support digital telephony). I just don't get it. -Johnny Bits