Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!ucbvax!ANDREW.CMU.EDU!jb3o+ From: jb3o+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Jon Allen Boone) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple Subject: Re: Tom Weishaar Message-ID: <4ZPSgAi00WB74JQtY6@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: 25 Nov 89 01:29:48 GMT References: <13410.chatter.infoapple@pro-beagle> Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The Internet Lines: 61 Mark Munz writes: > Oh come on folks.. Beagle decides to give its oldies away to its customers and > you guys are complaining about not being able to upload it anywhere. > > You sound as if Beagle made that decision at the last possible minute. Beagle > has its reasons, that fact is you (or even I) don't need to know them. > > I think folks should just be glad they can get some of the great products > at an incredibly low price (the price of a LD phone call). > > Mark Munz well, I think that the price of a LD phone call is not necessarily cheap. I know, I pay my phone bill... I think that you're missing the point as well. It seems very unclear as to what Beagle's intentions are. Beagle has and always will be against piracy. Fine, but I have never and never will be against piracy. The fact that they are giving it away also says to me that it would't be piracy to upload it to your favorite bbs or even comp.bin.apple2 (or whatever the name of the board is). If you can give it to your friends, why not uploading it too? So you happen to have a lot of friends on the net? Big Deal! Also, someone informed me that a request such as they have made in the agreement does not keep you from uploading them. After all, it was exactly that - a request. I can't vouch for the validity of that opinion, but it certainly seems that since they are giving them away, you can't be breaking the law by uploading them. After all, it didn't say you COULDN'T.....it just asked you NOT to... I would think that perhaps Beagle would a) hate to see their stuff infected by a virus and get blamed for it and/or b) don't want it to seem that they support piracy by their software being on the same bboards as say the latest cracked version of . Anyway, the BEST solution seems to be for someone at Beagle to upload the stuff and then the entire discussion will become pretty pointless. I mean, after all, the pirates have probably already uploaded it anyway - if they even plan to do so at all. They certainly aren't gonna wait for Beagle to OK it. That means that only the people on the net who are actually concerned with not breaking the law (and therefore are in all likelyhood NOT hackers or pirates or phreaks) are the ones who are gonna lose. Another case of the only ones getting screwed are the "law abiding citizens". I'm not a member of the NRA, but you have to admit that "If you outlaw handguns, the only people with handguns will be outlaws!" (Do NOT make the mistake of interperating this as meaning they will give up their guns...it just means that they will have become CRIMINALS...what a great way to FIGHT CRIME...make more criminals!!!) ___________________________ ______________________________________________ | | | | iain the flippant | You'll PAY To Know What You REALLY Think | | | Your MIND Left Intentionally Blank | |---------------------------| Act Like A DumbShit, | | | And They'll Treat You As An Equal | | Send $1 to: | If I Can't Whup It, I'll Go DOWN | | Rev. Worstishier Sawce | Fuck 'Em If They Can't Take A Joke | | 5115 Margarter Morrison | Pull The Wool Over Your Own Eyes | | Pittsburgh, PA 15213 |SCIENCE DOES NOT REMOVE THE TERROR OF THE GODS| |___________________________|______________________________________________|