Xref: utzoo news.admin:7698 news.groups:14846 comp.mail.uucp:3781 comp.os.vms:19807 Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!purdue!bu-cs!ckd From: ckd@bu-pub.bu.edu (Christopher Davis) Newsgroups: news.admin,news.groups,comp.mail.uucp,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: New newsgroup hierarchy Summary: But that's the *point*! Message-ID: <43132@bu-cs.BU.EDU> Date: 21 Nov 89 12:44:27 GMT References: <1618.25614348@mccall.uucp> <1989Nov17.174318.21963@world.std.com> <409@sci34hub.UUCP> Sender: daemon@bu-cs.BU.EDU Reply-To: ckd@bu-pub.bu.edu (Christopher Davis) Organization: Boston University School of Management Lines: 49 >>>>> On 21 Nov 89 02:34:51 GMT, gary@sci34hub.UUCP (Gary Heston) said: [on vmsnet.all] Gary> My gut feeling is that somebody who already has the equivalent of Gary> most of this in place (in the comp groups) wants the 90% (guesstimate) Gary> of us who don't run VMS to support the 10% who do with a significant Gary> part of our resources. Nope; sounds like somebody who figures that this will keep people who don't care about VMS from having to support them at all! Look at it this way: the whole hierarchy system was designed to make it easier to pick-and-choose the groups your site feeds without having to get down-and-dirty with each group, right? You and your users don't give an airborne copulation about VMS, right? *So don't take vmsnet.all.* Simple. You don't even have to make any effort. Gary> Ever hear of the "rmgroup" command? I think that'll stop them from Gary> my site--considering that we have no DEC hardware in my division, Gary> I can't see supporting something that duplicates part of what I'm Gary> getting already. Why rmgroup it? *Just don't join vmsnet!* If you don't like commercial messages, you simply ignore biz.all, and life is grand. If you don't like VMS (and I, personally, think it's horrible and icky &c) then ignore vmsnet.all. Gary> Further, this is USENET, not VMS-SUPPORTED-BY-REAL-OS-NET. We have Gary> guidlines about forming new newsgroups. We're all supposed to follow Gary> these guidelines, partly to operate in concensus--i.e., operate in Gary> a manner that is generally agreed upon by the net users and admins. *This* is usenet. *That* is the altnet. *Over there* is vmsnet. Gary> This hierarchy was not voted upon by the net, much less any of the Gary> sub-groups in it. It won't be coming into this site for two real Gary> simple reasons: Gary> 1) It is not an "official" newsgroup, within one of the Gary> existing hierarchies, approved by the net as a whole. Gary> 2) I'm NOT going to edit it into my sys file. Yup. See what I mean? You've just proved my point--*this is why they did it as a separate hierarchy.* Sometimes I wonder about people who seem to be arguing my side for me. -- Christopher Davis, BU SMG '90 "Technology is dominated by those who manage what they do not understand."