Xref: utzoo news.admin:7708 news.groups:14856 comp.os.vms:19818 Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!deimos.cis.ksu.edu!mccall!tp From: tp@mccall.uucp Newsgroups: news.admin,news.groups,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: New newsgroup hierarchy Message-ID: <1694.2569212f@mccall.uucp> Date: 21 Nov 89 10:19:27 GMT References: <1618.25614348@mccall.uucp> <1989Nov17.174318.21963@world.std.com> <409@sci34hub.UUCP> Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA Lines: 57 In article <409@sci34hub.UUCP>, gary@sci34hub.UUCP (Gary Heston) writes: > My gut feeling is that somebody who already has the equivalent of > most of this in place (in the comp groups) wants the 90% (guesstimate) > of us who don't run VMS to support the 10% who do with a significant > part of our resources. Unless you choose to join VMSnet, you won't be supporting it. You won't even see it. > Ever hear of the "rmgroup" command? I think that'll stop them from > my site--considering that we have no DEC hardware in my division, > I can't see supporting something that duplicates part of what I'm > getting already. Are you going to rmgroup bionet and pubnet while you are at it? If you don't want to be on VMSnet, don't join, but why screw things up for people that do want to join? > Further, this is USENET, not VMS-SUPPORTED-BY-REAL-OS-NET. We have > guidlines about forming new newsgroups. We're all supposed to follow > these guidelines, partly to operate in concensus--i.e., operate in > a manner that is generally agreed upon by the net users and admins. That is true on usenet. It will be true on VMSnet, but the rules will probably be a bit different. However, there are no rules for creating new networks. If we had created usenet newsgroups, we would have followed the rules. > This hierarchy was not voted upon by the net, much less any of the > sub-groups in it. It won't be coming into this site for two real > simple reasons: > > 1) It is not an "official" newsgroup, within one of the > existing hierarchies, approved by the net as a whole. No, none of the VMSnet groups is a usenet group, official or otherwise. > 2) I'm NOT going to edit it into my sys file. Bingo! If you don't edit your sys file and get a feed for the groups to do the same, you are NOT on VMSnet. That's all it takes, just don't do anything and you will not support VMSnet, belong to VMSnet, and excepting screwups by your feed sites, you will not SEE VMSnet. > Stopped? Gee, whiz, I don't see anything coming in here to stop... > A rogue newgroup message could come in, under one of the existing > top-level groups, and I probably wouldn't care. All the control messages for VMSnet will be posted to VMSnet, not to usenet. If you don't join, you won't see them. I could understand getting flamed if I posted them to usenet, as that would be a violation of the rules. But since you aren't going to join VMSnet, why do you care what happens there? -- Terry Poot (800)255-2762, in Kansas (913)776-4041 The McCall Pattern Company, 615 McCall Rd., Manhattan, KS 66502, USA UUCP: rutgers!ksuvax1!mccall!tp Internet: tp%mccall@ksuvax1.cis.ksu.edu