Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!cs.utexas.edu!usc!apple!genbank!ames!haven!uvaarpa!hb From: hb@uvaarpa.virginia.edu (Hank Bovis) Newsgroups: news.groups Subject: Re: Proposed Guidelines Change (was Re: A Few Observations) Summary: Eliminate NO votes altogether... Keywords: backbone, oligarchy Message-ID: <1602@uvaarpa.virginia.edu> Date: 22 Nov 89 22:24:49 GMT References: <1989Nov10.045531.4549@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu> <36393@apple.Apple.COM> <1626@crdos1.crd.ge.COM> <2562D3D9.16489@ateng.com> <5289@ncar.ucar.edu> <1530@uvaarpa.virginia.edu> <7046@ficc.uu.net> Reply-To: hb@Virginia.EDU (Hank Bovis) Organization: University of Virginia, Charlottesville Lines: 47 In article <7046@ficc.uu.net> peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva) writes: >In article <1530@uvaarpa.virginia.edu> hb@Virginia.EDU (Hank Bovis) writes: >> As the net gets bigger, there will inevitably be more and more group >> proposals -- too many to get careful attention from very many people. >So most people will continue to not vote. Oh, come on, haven't you been complaining about how uniformed people were pulled into the aquaria vote just a result of politicking? Of course they won't vote if they don't know what's going on, but suppose the discussion spills over into 50 zillion groups, withand every all sorts of people telling them that Demise of the Net is Imminent if this or that thing isn't STOPPED, cold, right away? >This completely contradicts observed behavior, where most groups get a NO >vote between 10 and 30 regardless of the YES vote. Larger groups will have >an *easier* time getting that 2/3 majority. Larger groups where there is no _controversy_, I agree. >Perhaps your confusing this with the 100 NO vote proposal. No, I'm not, but I think that one is BAD also. >... Groups with a controversial >charter may end up with 30 NO votes, rather than 10, but they still fall >within the 10-30 NO vote band. Even a little controversy over the name >isn't going to kill a group: look at comp.unix.i386, comp.sw.components, >or comp.object. Well, it's all relative, I suppose. A little controversy may be ok, but a lot may not. I haven't been doing any trend studies or anything, but aquaria got one of the largest votes in recent memory, didn't it? >> so you will be BEGGING for the very rule violations, >> irregularities, politicking, and so on, that you seem to want to prevent. > >You got a better idea? My idea would be to eliminate NO votes entirely, and increase the number of YES votes rquired to insure reasonable interest in the group. Based on your assertion about typical NO votes above, I would suggest 110 to 130 YES should be an appropriate number. hb -- Hank Bovis (hb@Virginia.EDU, hb@Virginia.BITNET)