Path: utzoo!utgpu!watmath!att!rutgers!mit-eddie!snorkelwacker!apple!usc!henry.jpl.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!aero!lfd@cbnewsm.ATT.COM From: lfd@cbnewsm.ATT.COM (leland.f.derbenwick) Newsgroups: soc.feminism Subject: Re: AA, continued Summary: more definition of terms Message-ID: <6590@cbnewsm.ATT.COM> Date: 15 Nov 89 23:18:40 GMT References: <6561@columbia.edu> <8910300440.AA23901@uunet.uu.net> <3037@splut.conmicro.com> Sender: nadel@aerospace.aero.org Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 42 Approved: nadel@aerospace.aero.org In article <3037@splut.conmicro.com>, jay@splut.conmicro.com (Jay "you ignorant splut!" Maynard) writes: > > I suspect we're arguing the definition of terms here. The only people > defending AA as merely an activist EEO are AT&T employees. Earlier > comments lead me to believe that AA is the label AT&T applies to the > entire spectrum of non- and anti-discrimination activities. This differs ^^^^ ^^^^^ EEO AA Thank you, Jay, that's a _much_ simpler way to explain the difference! EEO involves non-discrimination activities (like allowing members of minority groups to be hired), while AA involves anti-discrimination activities (like recruiting at colleges with large minority enrollments). > [ lots deleted ] > AT&T is obfuscating the issue. That's just my writing style. :-) [or maybe :-( ] > -- > Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can > jay@splut.conmicro.com (eieio)| adequately be explained by stupidity. > {attctc,bellcore}!texbell!splut!jay +---------------------------------------- I think that what passes for AA at many places is a misguided mess that, to quote your .sig, "can adequately be explained by stupidity." Does anyone from outside AT&T have some comments on a _good_ (or at least reasonable) implementation of AA that they have encountered? (I'm sure I could get comments from within AT&T about _bad_ things done in the name of AA. Or good things that should have been done and weren't. AT&T is large [understatement] and organizationally diverse, and _nobody_ gets everything right. See "explained by stupidity," above, though that's no excuse for not trying.) Or is there anyone who can quote some key passages from the relevant laws (and court decisions, and ...)? -- Speaking for myself, -- Lee Derbenwick, AT&T Bell Laboratories, Warren, NJ -- lfd@cbnewsm.ATT.COM or !att!cbnewsm!lfd