Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!samsung!brutus.cs.uiuc.edu!psuvax1!rutgers!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: ejalbert@phoenix.princeton.edu (Edmund Jason Albert) Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Re: Predestination (again ... ) Message-ID: Date: 19 Nov 89 19:49:01 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Organization: Princeton University, NJ Lines: 22 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu >God's action was a great relief to him. I do understand the problem >with this: how can depending upon God only be a relief if we can't be >sure whether he's chosen us or not? I'm not sure quite why this For me this is not a problem, if one believes in predestination, one just trusts in God and prays. My problem comes in that Jesus said he died for all men and their salvation. Either a) One believes He was lying. b) One believes that all men are elect (hard to believe with people like Adolf Hitler around) c) One does not believe in predestination, since if God condemned men to damnation before the beginning of time, then Jesus could not have died for their salvation. Jason Albert Princeton University