Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!wuarchive!cs.utexas.edu!rutgers!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: bnr-fos!bmers58!davem@watmath.waterloo.edu (Dave Mielke) Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Re: Predestination (again ... ) Message-ID: Date: 24 Nov 89 03:32:46 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 15 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu In article ejalbert@phoenix.princeton.edu (Edmund Jason Albert) writes: >My problem comes in that Jesus said he died for all men and their >salvation. Either I wish you had quoted a Scripture or two where you feel that Jesus made the claim that He died for each and every person who has ever lived. I do not believe that He ever said such a thing. I believe He taught exactly the opposite. In John 17:9, for example, He says "I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.". Dave Mielke, 613-726-0014 856 Grenon Avenue Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K2B 6G3