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From: mattd@Apple.COM (Matt Deatherage)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple
Subject: Re: Beagle Scam
Message-ID: <36951@apple.Apple.COM>
Date: 2 Dec 89 17:50:37 GMT
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In article <113300198@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> krb20699@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
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>setenv FLAME = on
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>     Ok, Matt, your sarcasm hits the mark.  Now I'd like to know where the
>justification is.  If you (plural, pro-beagle (no pun intended)) believe
>that the AII community is bitching at something this trivial...
> [stuff deleted]
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>questions.  If Beagle (and others, apparently) feel that this is an un-
>justified attack, I'd really like to see AII DTS's policy statement ( or
>at least smell it) and Beagle's view of their market!
>
>setenv FLAME = off
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Ken, that's what I was not-so-gently poking fun at.  Beagle, through the
statement *required* to get to the oldies downloads in question on pro-beagle
and through the statements of employees Mark Munz and Jeff, have *clearly*
stated at least 10 times that I've read that the programs should not be
uploaded to other online services.  You can give them to friends but don't
upload them.

The statements in inCider and the catalog are obviously (to me) less specific
than this because a reasonable person might believe you only have to give all
the details to the people calling to download.  When the question arose, 
Mark and Jeff professionally gave the missing specifics, only to receive 
massive complaints from people pointing to the less-specific statements and
saying "It doesn't say that here!".  Miss Manners would not be pleased.

And as for the last part, please stop to think even during flames.  (Said in
good nature...:)  Why on earth would Apple II Developer Technical Support
have a "policy statement" on how Beagle Bros chooses to distribute their
own software?  I don't post the disclaimer that says these opinions are not
Apple's at the end of every message because I like taking bandwidth, but even
with it, some people still don't seem to want to believe that people who work
at Apple can have opinions on subjects that Apple doesn't even care about,
much less share the opinion.

If people on the net continue were to consistently identify Apple employee
opinion with Apple policy, we'd all get off the net pretty quick.

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