Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!decwrl!sun-barr!newstop!sun!grapevine!koreth@panarthea.ebay.sun.com From: koreth@panarthea.ebay.sun.com (Steven Grimm) Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st Subject: Re: "kneecapping" and TOS piracy Message-ID: <34850@grapevine.uucp> Date: 28 Nov 89 21:12:07 GMT References: <8911280802.AA18983@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Sender: news@grapevine.EBay Reply-To: koreth@panarthea.ebay.sun.com (Steven Grimm) Organization: Sun Microsystems Federal, Milpitas, CA Lines: 42 In article <8911280802.AA18983@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> JOHNBARNES@ENH.NIST.GOV writes: >Why Not, I ask? If people want to burn their own ROMS, why not let >them? Atari should even provide diagnostic files that can be run to >test the validity of user-generated ROMS. I agree. I've been to two Atari dealers a number of times (most recently San Jose Computer a couple of hours ago, which is why I'm motivated to write this,) and have always been told that they were out of 1.4 ROMs. If I had a binary image of the thing, I could go put it on EPROMs and have it in my machine tonight, as could a number of Atari-owning friends of mine. I realize that Atari doesn't want to deal with trying to support hundreds of modified versions of 1.4, which would inevitably arise if the OS were released in this way. There are two solutions to that problem. The first, and easiest, is to put something like THIS CHIPSET IS PROVIDED AS A COURTESY TO THE ATARI COMMUNITY, AND IS NOT AN OFFICIALLY SUPPORTED RELEASE. ATARI ASSUMES NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR PROBLEMS ARISING FROM ITS USE. FOR THE LATEST OFFICIAL OPERATING SYSTEM RELEASE, SEE YOUR LOCAL DEALER. in the Desktop "About..." dialog box. Then Atari will be able to separate the real 1.4ers from the EPROMmed ones, and deal with each appropriately. (Actually, ideally the startup code would do a CRC or checksum on the OS image, inserting that message if it found a difference -- but putting it there all the time is fine, too.) The second is to really do interim OS releases on disk. Apple and Commodore have been doing that for years, and they haven't had the problems Atari is afraid of. I don't expect this to happen, but it would be nice. So far I've restrained myself from finding someone with 1.4 and just copying the whole kit and kaboodle to disk; I'd rather have an official set of chips. I imagine many others are in the same position. They, and I, aren't going to hold off much longer. Well, that's my turn on the soapbox. Standard disclaimer here. --- " !" - Marcel Marceau Steven Grimm Moderator, comp.{sources,binaries}.atari.st sgrimm@sun.com ...!sun!sgrimm