Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!ucbvax!PENNDRLS.UPENN.EDU!GTHEALL From: GTHEALL@PENNDRLS.UPENN.EDU (George A. Theall) Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec.micro Subject: Rainbow EchoMail Digest Message-ID: <8912050343.AA08649@remote.dccs.upenn.edu> Date: 5 Dec 89 03:42:00 GMT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The Internet Lines: 690 Rainbow EchoMail Digest Dec 4, 1989 In this issue: RE: MODEM SEDT 4 CAD OF RAINBOWS AND 386S... (2 messages) NOT ENOUGH !! (3 messages) ..... PARKING THE HD YES -- ENOUGH ALREADY RE:ADVANTAGES OF FREESTYL (2 messages) RE: REGIS AND FREESTYLE (2 messages) AVAILABILITY OF CHESS PRO (3 messages) RE: GIF RE: PARKING THE HD RE: SPEEDUP EXTRANEOUS NOISE ON THIS QUESTIONS (2 messages) Articles posted to either INFO-DEC-MICRO or comp.sys.dec.micro are currently gatewayed automatically to the Rainbow Echo on Fidonet; thus, you do not need to take any special action to respond to articles in these digests. Please send reports of problems or suggestions for improvement of this digest to GTHEALL@PENNDRLS.UPENN.EDU (ARPA Internet). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: 12-01-89 (10:58) To: KELSY CROSSMAN Subject: RE: MODEM From: BILL MAYHEW Kelsy, (This seems odd, but...) Please check back on the CompuServe DECPC Forum where you originally posted this request. I've found two people who know about the Concord modems who have volunteered some help, but who are awaiting more information from you. -Bill --- QM v1.00 * Origin: Still Servicing the Rainbow - Maybee Forever (1:101/1.0) ------------------------------ Date: 12-01-89 To: GEORGE THEALL Subject: SEDT 4 From: GEORGE DAHLCO, SYSOP 102/ In a message of , GEORGE THEALL (1:273/203) writes: GT>From: agate!stew.ssl.berkeley.edu!link@apple.com (Richard Link) GT>Organization: University of California, Berkeley GT> GT>Can I get SEDT 4.xx (not sure of the newest version; I have 3.3) GT>by FTP? Otherwise, are there any California BBS's which have it? GT> GT>Please e-mail your response. GT> GT>Thanks, GT>Richard Link, Ph.D. GT>Space Sciences Laboratory Richard, Yes, I have the latest version as of a month or so ago; just file request SEDT4*.* from 102/138. -George, 102/138- --- msged 1.998z * Origin: Western Region VAX EC, RAINBOW/PDP-11 Echo Hub (1:102/138.1) ------------------------------ Date: 12-01-89 To: AMER NELSON Subject: CAD From: DAVID STRICKLER In a message of <14 Nov 89 12:02:41>, Amer Nelson (1:343/3) writes: AN>I think the message I got may have read -- AN> Insufficient memory to run ZALLOC AN>Not that the exact wording matters that much -- you get the AN>drift. Sounds like a memory problem that they had with UTE. Try using up some memory with SwitchIt or something like that and trying it again. The solution is to USE MORE memory, lathough the error says otherwise. Aren't computers so logical? :> AN>Thanks for all your efforts re the Rainbow Echo -- how else could AN>I get my nit-picky questions answered? AN>++ Amer ++ Glad to help out! David Strickler Sysop of 101/45 Midnight DEC (Boston) (617)739-0708 [Voice] --- msged 1.99S ZTC * Origin: Midnight DEC (1:101/45) ------------------------------ Date: 12-01-89 To: DON MARQUART Subject: OF RAINBOWS AND 386S... From: DAVID STRICKLER DRI is Digital Research, but what is SCO? David Strickler Sysop of 101/45 Midnight DEC (Boston) (617)739-0708 [Voice] --- msged 1.99S ZTC * Origin: Midnight DEC (1:101/45) ------------------------------ Date: 12-01-89 To: JOHN LELLIS Subject: OF RAINBOWS AND 386S... From: DAVID STRICKLER In a message of <15 Nov 89 19:22:05>, John Lellis (1:106/503) writes: JL>You might try VMIX. It supports VT100s and purports to run on the 386 JL>(though I have personally only seen it run on 286 machines). Not JL>exactly a transparent DOS window, but it did seem functional last time JL>I looked at it. JL> Is that a MSDOS shell? In otherwords, will it run the DOS applications I write? David Strickler Sysop of 101/45 Midnight DEC (Boston) (617)739-0708 [Voice] --- msged 1.99S ZTC * Origin: Midnight DEC (1:101/45) ------------------------------ Date: 12-01-89 To: MARK BORNSTEIN Subject: NOT ENOUGH !! From: DAVID STRICKLER In a message of <20 Nov 89 10:37:26>, Mark Bornstein (1:101/111) writes: MB> It is really not my collection rate which is phenomenal. It is MB>rather, the thousands of wonderful Rainbow customers who it was never MB>necessary to ship C.O.D. to. This applies to all those individuals as MB>well as companies, both large and small who it was my pleasure to deal MB>with. OK, people... Lets let this one drop. I remember an antique lamp at you desk, Mark, with many COD chits. A safe place that you stored them until the checks arrived fomr UPS. A clever system, I have yet to find. If they guy stiffed you, then he is a bum. However, this petty bickering is not welcome here. You've got Geoff's address, and I would guess his number. Take it up on your own time. --- msged 1.99S ZTC * Origin: Midnight DEC (1:101/45) ------------------------------ Date: 12-01-89 To: GEOFF REED Subject: ..... From: DAVID STRICKLER In a message of <26 Nov 89 10:50:40>, Geoff Reed (1:6000/0) writes: GR> MB>It seems mighty strange that you come out of the woodwork, a LONG GR>time after the problem. I know Mark has mentioned it GR> MB>many times in this echo and I have heard him say it other times also. GR> MB> GR> I had argued with mr bournstein about this before, I have never GR>received 3 invoices, and i have never received any messages as he GR>claims Tell you what. I am so anxious to hear Mark shut up, that if you FAX me the recipet from the banks showing it was cashed (from and back please), I will publicly state that I have recieved it, and announce the message closed. Never in my life have I seen so much useless dripple over $23! My FAX number is 617-277-3041 David Strickler Sysop of 101/45 Midnight DEC (Boston) (617)739-0708 [Voice] --- msged 1.99S ZTC * Origin: Midnight DEC (1:101/45) ------------------------------ Date: 12-02-89 (13:06) To: GEORGE THEALL Subject: PARKING THE HD From: MARK BORNSTEIN In a message of <29 Nov 89 18:07:00>, GEORGE THEALL (1:273/203) writes: >Does anyone know of a public-domain program to park the hard disk >on a Rainbow? If so, I would appreciate receiving information on >availability. Public domain program called "BYE.COM" Available for dl or f/req here and most other bbses. Remember, it is a .COM file of about 500 bytes. ...mark --- msged 1.99L MSC * Origin: Island Logistics (617) 631-3304 (1:101/111) ------------------------------ Date: 12-02-89 (12:19) To: GEORGE THEALL Subject: YES -- ENOUGH ALREADY From: MARK BORNSTEIN In a message of <29 Nov 89 18:07:00>, GEORGE THEALL (1:273/203) writes: > If this is all it's about, then I'll gladly send you the $23 so you >can have your %$)(@#$ Chinese food. Just leave your address in a reply >and promise to consider the matter dropped. > > Otherwise chill out, fella! You'll sleep better at night. I always sleep better knowing that 'boobs' have been put in their proper place. If you think that "food" is what this thing is all about then you do not understand things like "principles, matters of honor, gentleman, and men who are true to their word." ...mark --- msged 1.99L MSC * Origin: Island Logistics (617) 631-3304 (1:101/111) ------------------------------ Date: 12-02-89 (12:26) To: DAVID STRICKLER Subject: NOT ENOUGH !! From: MARK BORNSTEIN In a message of <01 Dec 89 23:44:36>, David Strickler (1:101/45) writes: > MB> It is really not my collection rate which is phenomenal. It is > MB>rather, the thousands of wonderful Rainbow customers who it was never > MB>necessary to ship C.O.D. to. This applies to all those individuals as > MB>well as companies, both large and small who it was my pleasure to deal with >If they guy stiffed you, then he is a bum. However, this petty >bickering is not welcome here. You've got Geoff's address, and I would >guess his number. Take it up on your own time. Let us get priorities straight here. I warned people that they might get cheated if they deal with geoff reed (as he has stiffed 2 dealers that I know of.) Next he entered some ridiculous buffoonery in reply to which Mark Buda graciously replied. Enter newcomer Theall objecting to my wanting to make sure other Rainbow people do not get cheated by him. (A fit place to do so I might add.) This is not about my getting cheated, and this is not an attempt on my part to get paid. (You of all people should know I don't need the money and that I would spend it taking you and Art to dinner.) My "own time" was already taken up almost 2 years ago trying to get paid. This is not something for my "own time." I just want to make sure that he does not take advantage of anyone else. This whole thread would have ceased had not Theall blustered in here. That is all. (Besides you know how contentious I am, and this echo needed some spice.) ...mark --- msged 1.99L MSC * Origin: Island Logistics (617) 631-3304 (1:101/111) ------------------------------ Date: 12-02-89 To: FRANK MALLORY Subject: RE:ADVANTAGES OF FREESTYL From: ART MCCLINTON It is a bug fix release. I often found that 1.0 would incorrectly handle smooth right edge. 1.5 fixes it. Also if you every fill up a disk drive 1.0 will lose the output file. 1.5 will warn and often allow the file to be saved on another disk. --- ConfMail V3.31 * Origin: The Pot of Gold - (703-359-6549) (1:109/103) ------------------------------ Date: 12-02-89 To: GEORGE THEALL Subject: RE: REGIS AND FREESTYLE From: ART MCCLINTON Regis is a graphics command language developed by DEC for the graphics on the VT125/VT240/VT340 terminals, GIGI terminal, and several other plotters. The Rainbow REGIS product allows a Rainbow to emulate most of teh features of these other terminals. It requires a graphics card, supports both color and monichrome monitors, and the LA50 and LA100 printers. The software was developed for Digital by Polygon and runs under CPM or MS-DOS. It was sold both by Digital and directly by Polygon Associates, inc. St Louis MO 314/576-7709 Freestyle is a word processing program. Writes to the program have bee sold several times. At the present, I am unable to figure out who owns the rights. It is not in the public domain, but I can not figure out where to obtain copies. --- ConfMail V3.31 * Origin: The Pot of Gold - (703-359-6549) (1:109/103) ------------------------------ Date: 12-02-89 To: ALL Subject: AVAILABILITY OF CHESS PRO From: ART MCCLINTON My 16 year old son just dug out the 14 year old Interact computer and hooked it up to the TV. When I asked him why, he said he wanted to play chess and since we sold the Atari that the only Chess Games was the one on the Interact. Since we have Rainbows in each room, I am looking for a Chess game that runs on the rainbow. thanks --- ConfMail V3.31 * Origin: The Pot of Gold - (703-359-6549) (1:109/103) ------------------------------ Date: 12-02-89 (18:27) To: AMER NELSON Subject: RE: GIF From: MIKE JANSON THere's really a GIFviewer for the Rainbow? *cheer* , where can I get one..I need(and I mean need it!) , I'm currently located in Phoenix ,AZ, is there a way I can get it? I really want it! Badly..I would thank a million times if I can get it from you...THANKS A LOT! See yA! --- * Origin: Genoa City (602) 945-0869 [Tempe, AZ] (Opus 1:114/3) ------------------------------ Date: 12-02-89 (07:29) To: GEORGE THEALL Subject: RE: PARKING THE HD From: DAN OREILLY There are a couple out there, but I think your best bet is to get MS-DOS V3.1 - the FDISK utility will park the heads. Somewhere in the Rainbow section on this BBS I think I've got a utility to do that for MS-DOS V2.11 as well. You might want to dial up and take a quick look. DanO --- QuickBBS v2.04 * Origin: The CS-DEPOT BBS System (719)550-9305 (1:128/58) ------------------------------ Date: 12-01-89 (22:26) To: CARL HOUSEMAN Subject: RE: SPEEDUP From: FRANK MALLORY CH> I would doubt very much that a kit designed for a PC would work in the CH> Rainbow. However, if you want to drop me the technical details in the CH> mail I'll be happy to give you a more informed opinion. I'm trying to get more details; I will send them when available. CH> The biggest problem, besides the more mundane matters of not having CH> fast enough RAM, ROM or peripheral chips, is that of synchronizing with CH> the Z80, whose speed hasn't changed. That, and I'd expect that Jerry CH> Miller of Suitable Solutions has probably looked in to this and reached CH> the same conclusions. The 150ns DRAMs are capable of running at 8MHz with zero wait states; don't know about the soldered-in memory chips on the main board. I believe there IS a faster Z80 available; I've seen them listed in the Computer Shopper. It would be worthwhile to bring the speed up to 8MHz if it could be done for $80 or so; this would let the V20-8 run at its rated speed. --- msged 1.99L MSC * Origin: Silver Bullet - Silver Spring, Maryland - 301-622-2247 (1:109/123) ------------------------------ Date: 12-03-89 To: DAVID STRICKLER Subject: EXTRANEOUS NOISE ON THIS From: ART MCCLINTON Dave I doubt if you will be able to get Mark to to stop. I have been a faithful reader and sometimes contributor to this list since the begining. If my memory serves me right this is not the first time that Mark has gotten into a shouting match with someone that "stiffed" him. The last one eventually quieted down when Bob Catt moved to England. However after about a year some machine unfortunately leaked a group of old messages onto the wire and Mark started off again. I suggest that since Mark will respond to anything placed on the wire. But will eventually tire if no one respnds to him, that we all not respond to any messages concerning the issue. --- ConfMail V3.31 * Origin: The Pot of Gold - (703-359-6549) (1:109/103) ------------------------------ Date: 12-03-89 To: GEORGE THEALL Subject: QUESTIONS From: FRANK MALLORY GT> *If* you can get a hard disk controller for your machine, Rodger, you GT> can install in your system almost any hard disk that uses MFM or RLL But if you choose a RLL-capable drive, you can expect to get only about tow thirds of its rated capacity when used on a Rainbow (which only handles the MFM format). GT> encoding. The Seagate ST225 20MB drive, for example, that's sold for PC GT> compatible systems will work fine. So too will the ST241 38MB drive. I think you mean ST251 40MB drive. GT> Another possibility is to buy a used hard-disk equipped Rainbow. GT> Prices here in the US are around $400+ for a 100B with hard disk. You'd GT> not only get the controller card but also have spare parts around in GT> case something in your current machine fails. A good suggestion for domestic users; but I think there would be a lot of red tape and other difficulties in exporting a complete system to Europe; also, the cost of shipping would drive the price up substantially. GT> The June 1988 issue of _Rainbow News_ also contained a comprehensive GT> list of programs known to run on Rainbows but not advertised as such. I GT> didn't see anything about SmallTalk mentioned. I imagine Actor would run GT> under Windows, but it might require the 286-board from Suitable GT> Solutions. SmallTalk is the programming environment originating at Xerox PARC which evolved into Windows; I don't believe there is a Rainbow implementation. Actor, on the other hand, is Windows compatible so should run fine under MS-WIND on the Rainbow, as you stated. GT> ~ EZ 1.23b4 #263 ~ TXIRRINGAK? Bai, eskerrik asko! George, when are you going to tell us the meaning of these phrases in your origin line (or at least, what language they are in)? I'd like to *know* when/if I am being insulted! --- msged 1.99L MSC * Origin: Silver Bullet - Silver Spring, Maryland - 301-622-2247 (1:109/123) ------------------------------ Date: 12-03-89 To: ART MCCLINTON Subject: RE:ADVANTAGES OF FREESTYL From: FRANK MALLORY AM> It is a bug fix release. I often found that 1.0 would incorrectly AM> handle smooth right edge. 1.5 fixes it. Also if you every fill up AM> a disk drive 1.0 will lose the output file. 1.5 will warn and often AM> allow the file to be saved on another disk. I can see those fixes might be useful to some users, but they are of no use to me. Too bad they didn't fix it to allow entry of paths for file names. I have a real screwy problem with it, tho. I installed it on my 'bow at the office, and it works fine there; functions just like 1.0, except perhaps one of the print defaults is different. But on my 'bow at home, it insists on starting up in Insert mode and slipping back there after you do practically anything. I thought maybe I had installed them differently, so I arced up the complete FS subdirectory from the one at work and then unarced it on the one at home; no soap, they still operate differently. Wierd! The machines are the same except the one at home has a 40MB drive and 8087 board vs a 20MB drive and no 8087 on the one at work. --- msged 1.99L MSC * Origin: Silver Bullet - Silver Spring, Maryland - 301-622-2247 (1:109/123) ------------------------------ Date: 12-03-89 To: ART MCCLINTON Subject: RE: REGIS AND FREESTYLE From: FRANK MALLORY AM> Freestyle is a word processing program. Writes to the program have bee AM> sold several times. At the present, I am unable to figure out who owns AM> the rights. It is not in the public domain, but I can not figure out AM> where to obtain copies. Freestyle currently belongs to Summa Technologies (914)679-5951. --- msged 1.99L MSC * Origin: Silver Bullet - Silver Spring, Maryland - 301-622-2247 (1:109/123) ------------------------------ Date: 12-03-89 To: ART MCCLINTON Subject: AVAILABILITY OF CHESS PRO From: FRANK MALLORY You can download two of them from this board, Art. CHESDEMO.ZIP is a demonstati of the CICA chess program for the Rainbow, and DOSCHESS.ZIP is a shareware or PD chess program. I haven't tried either of them. PS - I have a bunch of programs for the Rainbow here. Either use the Opus L)ocate command to find the subject you are interested in; or download SBFILES.L from area 20 and use SEDT to find your keywords. --- msged 1.99L MSC * Origin: Silver Bullet - Silver Spring, Maryland - 301-622-2247 (1:109/123) ------------------------------ Date: 12-04-89 (18:54) To: MARK BORNSTEIN Subject: NOT ENOUGH !! From: GEORGE THEALL MB>Let us get priorities straight here. Hear, hear! Is this Echo about the DEC Rainbow or collection of bad debts? MB>I warned people that they might MB>get cheated if they deal with geoff reed (as he has stiffed 2 dealers that MB>I know of.) Wrong, Bornstein. Your messages are viewed as nothing but vindictive libel, and my advice to Geoff is that he consult a lawyer if you continue in this fashion and that together they take the matter up with the IFNA. And let's get another thing straight. *NO ONE* in recent memory soliticed your advice about dealing with Geoff. Nor did Geoff offer to sell anything over the net. The same rationale that you've employed could be used by anyone to, say, continually post that "The owner of Mark Industries is liable to slander anyone who buys something from there so stay clear!". I wonder what your reaction would have been to such a claim were Mark Industries still in business. Probably much like mine was to your posts - to attribute them to some disgruntled individual and give them little credibility. MB>Next he entered some ridiculous buffoonery in reply to which Mark MB>Buda graciously replied. Incorrect again, Bornstein. You've overlooked your second message to me, a message from Amer Nelson in which Amer said he wished you'd drop the subject. Then there was your reply to one of Geoff's own messages asking for info about CD Rom equipment. All throughout you altered the subject lines indicating that your mindless tirade would continue - "NOT ENOUGH", "OF BAD APPLES AND THINGS", "STIFFS", etc... No, the next several steps were certainly not taken by Geoff. All throught this mess, I've noticed only two messages from Geoff himself. Admirably, he has resisted lowering himself to your level and responding to your attacks in kind. MB>Enter newcomer Theall objecting to my wanting to MB>make sure other Rainbow people do not get cheated by him. (A fit place to MB>do so I might add.) Perhaps being a "newcomer" somehow belittles my opinions in your mind??? To steal from another user's eloquent inquiry: Just what have you done for the Rainbow community recently, Bornstein? And since you're putting words in my mouth, let me correct you once again. I do not object to your warning people about bad business deals. I *do* object, however, that your warnings have been *unsolicited* and *continual*. MB>This is not about my getting cheated, and this is not MB>an attempt on my part to get paid. Sure seems that way to me. And if it's not, then when will your tirade end? MB>This whole thread would have ceased had not Theall blustered in here. A new venue of attack, eh Bornstein? You can't extort money from Geoff so it's on to someone else, is it? This whole thread started because YOU, Mr. Bornstein, saw fit to air your petty concerns in this forum. Had you instead heeded the advice of Amer Nelson, myself, Rodger Lea, or Kevin Barkes, you would have stopped after having acheived your stated purpose - raising doubts about Geoff's honesty in our minds. But no, you haven't. Well, then, congratulations, Bornstein. You're being honoured with the first spot in my kill file. Now I won't have to read your ravings ever again. Fire away. See just how much you can annoy the other users here. It will be a bit one-sided, though, which might take all the fun out of it for you. George --- ~ EZ 1.23b4 #263 ~ Denok batera - PRESOAK KALERA!!! ============================================================================== Date: 12-04-89 (20:39) Number: 74 SATALINK (tm) Your Ult To: ART MCCLINTON Refer#: 616 From: GEORGE THEALL Read: YES Subj: AVAILABILITY OF CHESS PRO Conf: (74) fRAINBOW ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AM>Since we have Rainbows in each room, I am looking for a Chess AM>game that runs on the rainbow. There are two in PENNRUG's pd software library. One is a demo of Chess Ingenuity, the other supposedly contains six levels of difficulty. I don't play chess much, myself, so I have no idea what they're like. I can, though, upload one to a local (to Philadelphia) bbs if you'd care to spend a few dimes. George --- ~ EZ 1.23b4 #263 ~ TXIRRINGAK? Bai, eskerrik asko! ============================================================================== Date: 12-04-89 (20:44) Number: 74 SATALINK (tm) Your Ult To: FRANK MALLORY Refer#: 621 From: GEORGE THEALL Read: YES Subj: QUESTIONS Conf: (74) fRAINBOW ------------------------------------------------------------------------ FM>GT> *If* you can get a hard disk controller for your machine, Rodger, you FM>GT> can install in your system almost any hard disk that uses MFM or RLL FM> FM>But if you choose a RLL-capable drive, you can expect to get only about tow FM>thirds of its rated capacity when used on a Rainbow (which only handles the FM>MFM format). Oh, right. I forgot about this. And then there's the problem of large disks under DOS v2.xx. You can't use more than 32MB of the disk for DOS (anybody using CP/M these days?) unless you move up to v3.10. FM>GT> Another possibility is to buy a used hard-disk equipped Rainbow. FM>GT> Prices here in the US are around $400+ for a 100B with hard disk. You'd FM>GT> not only get the controller card but also have spare parts around in FM>GT> case something in your current machine fails. FM> FM>A good suggestion for domestic users; but I think there would be a lot of FM>red tape and other difficulties in exporting a complete system to Europe; FM>also, the cost of shipping would drive the price up substantially. I hadn't thought about customs. Hmmm, how difficult would it be since he's in France? (But then, that's run by a bunch of leftist Socialists, isn't it? :-) Some friends of mine have shipped PC's to Spain by sea. I think shipping cost about $50 and took 1 month. Of course, the Spanish customs did hassle them a lot. FM>GT> ~ EZ 1.23b4 #263 ~ TXIRRINGAK? Bai, eskerrik asko! FM> FM>George, when are you going to tell us the meaning of these phrases in your FM>origin line (or at least, what language they are in)? I'd like to *know* FM>when/if I am being insulted! I had forgotten about this, Frank. I use a few different taglines, several in foreign languages and reflecting my interests in Spain and bicycling. (Odd combination, no?) None would be generally considered insulting. The one you've quoted above is in Basque (from the northeastern corner of Spain) and translates as "BICYCLING, Yes, thanks!" The other that you had wondered about back in October was "Denok Batera, Presoak Kalera". It's a combination of two Basque protest slogans which translate basically as "All Together Now, Free the Prisoners", presumably referring to the suspected ETA terrorists held in Spanish prisons. George --- ~ EZ 1.23b4 #263 ~ Does the name Pavlov ring a bell? ------------------------------