Path: utzoo!attcan!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!henry.jpl.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!hacgate!ashtate!dbase!awd From: awd@dbase.UUCP (Alastair Dallas) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer Subject: Ad hominem attacks (was: Tail patches) Summary: Higher level discussion, please Message-ID: <309@dbase.UUCP> Date: 30 Nov 89 17:20:30 GMT References: <5352@internal.Apple.COM> Organization: Ashton Tate Devlopment Center Glendale, Calif. Lines: 22 Tim--Shame on you for posting ad hominem attacks. If you must attack Paul's behavior, please don't villify him as an individual. I'm constantly re-amazed at the power of usenet--by putting up with a little fluff (and perhaps some bluster) I can feel connected to people doing similar work around the world. You're one of a handful of real experts offering this feast of information, but I don't think you realize how much it can hurt to be publicly attacked on comp.sys.mac.programmer. It's not like a broadcast attack; it's direct mail to specifically the people whose professional respect matters the most. Paul--Take the hint. Tim is completely right that your job is public relations whenever you're on this net. Apple promulgates standards; the developer community makes them happen because we believe in standards and we agree that the particular ones Apple pushes are acceptable. A lot of "standard" practices came from people like Tim, not Apple. The charge is that you believe that a harsh drill sergeant approach can force standards upon unwilling developers--say it ain't so, Paul. If you explain the standards, you have a chance of selling them to us--yelling doesn't work. I'm sorry about the frustration, but I think it goes with the territory. /alastair/