Xref: utzoo news.admin:7845 news.groups:15232 Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!wuarchive!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!sco!davidbe From: davidbe@sco.COM (The Cat in the Hat) Newsgroups: news.admin,news.groups Subject: Re: Fixing the unbroken Message-ID: <479@scorn.sco.COM> Date: 30 Nov 89 22:50:48 GMT References: <7139@ficc.uu.net> Sender: news@sco.COM Reply-To: davidbe@sco.COM (The Cat in the Hat) Organization: The Santa Claus Oxide Lines: 40 news.admin's own jeffd@ficc.uu.net (jeff daiell) said: - -All of the proposals for new voting schemes -- and they seem -to be getting hairier by the moment -- ignore one fact: -the status quo works pretty well. An occasional abuse, -like con.aquaria, does happen, but I'd hate to see the -current nature of the net abandoned in an overly-zealous -reach to stamp out all possible problems. Hear hear! STV or Mauve or whatever may be nice, but it doesn't change the fact that it's fixing something that's mostly not broken. Sure, the current system needs a little adjustment (what's the status on the 2/3 yes vote idea, anyway?) but that doesn't mean it's broken. The problem with Mauve is that enough people can vote without any of them getting enough of a majority to show "the will of the net". This has been shown a number of times. The problem with STV is complexity. I've yet to see anyone give a clear explanation of how to tally such a vote. All the explanations people have given so far look like something the defense department came up with. And the problem common to *both* proposals, is that they give "no" and no votes much less significance. Remember: any voting scheme should be understandable by a 3 year-old. Because even without talk.kids, there are still people on the net who won't understand anything more (not naming names, nosiree bob, uh uh...). -- David Bedno, Systems Administrator, The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Email: davidbe@sco.COM / ..!{uunet,sun,ucbvax!ucscc,gorn}!sco!davidbe Phone: 408-425-7222 x5123 Disclaimer: Speaking from SCO but not for SCO. "Can you keep a secret?" "I'm a GENTLEMAN. Of *course* I can't keep a secret." - from Cerebus #125 Brought to you by Super Global Mega Corp .com