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From: gary@sci34hub.UUCP (Gary Heston)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Well, use it...
Keywords: get the facts, jack
Message-ID: <438@sci34hub.UUCP>
Date: 2 Dec 89 04:13:04 GMT
References: <7551@fear+loathing.UUCP> <128533@sun.Eng.Sun.COM> <17386@umn-cs.CS.UMN.EDU>
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First: a) I voted against sci.aquaria, and b) the newgroup came thru here and
was effected, i.e., I'm carrying it.

In article <17386@umn-cs.CS.UMN.EDU>, hougen@umn-cs.CS.UMN.EDU (Dean Hougen) writes:
> In article <128533@sun.Eng.Sun.COM> briang@sun.UUCP (Brian Gordon) writes:
> >In article <7551@fear+loathing.UUCP> richardb@cognos.UUCP () writes:

> >>I think all those people that voted for sci.aquaria should now start
> >>generating some traffic in this group. Especially the Loudest ones.

> >Would that that were possible.  If ANY news administrator between my system and
> >yours refuses to carry sci.aquaria, or aliases it to alt.aquaria, you will be
> >unable to receive anything I post to sci.aquaria, even if both our sites carry
> >it.  It is a non-group, despite the winning vote.

> It is a group, despite the attempted sabotage of certain net.tyrants.  Where

Objection. There was much and emotional debate about the group and voting 
results, and either sides' actions can justifiably be pointed to and 
claimed as improper, including tyrannical.

> [ ..... ]  Of course, the bad connectivity
> causes some problems, just as it does for alt.* groups.  [ ... ]

What? I thought sci.all had PERFECT connectivity. After all, that was one of
the stated reason for having it there instead of in rec.
 
> [ ... ] for the nut who is strangling your feed,

This characterization of a siteadmin is way out of line. I suppose I'm a 
nut because I don't carry alt or bio? Also, you don't decide what another
site carries--they do. It's part of the job.

>            and when you find him/her start
> applying preasure to get the line opened up.  Usenet is for the users, dammit!

First, that's spelled "pressure". Must make sure you know what you're 
suggesting.

Second, stuff it. You can get whatever your feeding site wants to feed you.
If that's not enough, run up YOUR long distance bill connecting to another
site (in this case, I'm sure gryphon would be willing to arrange something.
The group seems to be popular there--I understand there were 38 votes in 
favor from them) that has what you want. "Pressure" your feed? Good way
to convince them to shut you off entirely. Each site carries whatever it
wants, based on whatever reasons it wishes to apply. Your wants are a long
second.

> Don't let some petty.dictator take it away from you.  (Note that many of these

Oh, right. Now I'm not a nut, I'm a dictator. Thanks for clearing that up.

> dispicable creatures have confessed their sins publicly in news.groups, so

That's "despicable". At least, by your definition. Also, I don't consider 
opposing a group in discussion to be confessing a sin. Did the usenet get
moved to Bulgaria, or North Korea, perhaps?

> they are a good place to start looking to find your particular pain.in.the.
> ass.)

Oops, excuse ME. I thought I was a nut..er, dictator. Thanks again.
 
> Dean Hougen

> P.s.  I think all those people that voted against sci.aquaria should now stop
> flaming/whining/bitching/crying, grow up, and quit generating noise in this
> group.  Especially the Loudest ones.

I think all the people who think all the other sites in usenet (which may
include some of the people who voted in favor of sci.aquaria, but I'm not
sure about that) are there for the sole purpose of providing them with a
full, complete, and unadulterated news feed with the flamer/whiner/etc.s'
choice of groups should grow up and quit generating noise.

I think I'm a typical site, in that I'll pull down whatever I (or the
users here) want from our primary feed. I'll gladly forward that to
any site who wants it (and in fact finished setting one up today). 
If you want anything else, make other arrangements. If I tell you 
I won't be carrying a group, believe it. If you (or anyone) tries to
"pressure" me, I'll just comment out a line in /usr/lib/uucp/Systems
and /usr/lib/news/sys and let you (or them) run your site without 
my interference.

-- 
    Gary Heston     { uunet!sci34hub!gary  }    System Mismanager
   SCI Technology, Inc.  OEM Products Department  (i.e., computers)
      Hestons' First Law: I qualify virtually everything I say.


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