Xref: utzoo news.groups:15215 news.misc:3903 Path: utzoo!attcan!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!udel!burdvax!gvlv2!lock60!mhw From: mhw@lock60.UUCP (Mark H. Weber) Newsgroups: news.groups,news.misc Subject: Newsgroup guidelines survey results (MAUVE) Message-ID: <365@lock60.UUCP> Date: 30 Nov 89 08:07:37 GMT Reply-To: mhw@Schuylkill.Canal.Org (Mark H. Weber) Followup-To: news.groups Organization: Lock #60 on the Schuylkill Canal, Phoenixville, PA Lines: 191 [ Here's the first installment of my survey results. The STV results will follow in a day or so, then a summary of the comments which were sent to me. In case you were wondering, I'm posting this at home, at work I'm still markw@GVL.Unisys.COM. Thanks to everyone who participated, and to my poor, groaning 3b1 which is churning through this stuff - Mark ] Here's the first set of results for the newsgroup guideline change survey. This is the Approval Voting (MAUVE) results. There were 116 total votes. So, in order of highest to lowest approval rating (YES votes as a percentage of total votes cast), we have: Prop. Proposal Description Approval Disapproval ## % % ---- --------------------------------------------------- ------ ----- 2) Add check for 2:1 Yes:No ratio 71 20 Note: 1 11) Independent vote counters 63 9 7) MAUVE multiple voting scheme 44 25 8) STV multiple voting scheme 44 28 9) Newsgroup Committee 38 39 6) Hold name vote for popular but controversial groups 37 34 12) Trial Newsgroups 34 41 3) Less restrictive requirements for moderated groups 33 32 1) Raise NO vote threshold to 200 27 51 5) Hold preliminary name vote for all groups 21 49 10) Newgroup Czar (make a single person net.god) 16 57 14) Any change 14 51 Note: 2 4) 100 NO's vetoes a new group 13 54 13) No change 7 74 Note: 3 Note: 1 - This is in addition to the current 100 more yes than no requirement. In early versions of the survey, this was not explained clearly. If you included a note or a write-in vote indicating you would support proposal 2 if it was in addition to the current rule, I included your vote here. Note: 2 - Some people mis-interpreted the instructions here. A YES here should just be shorthand for yes for all groups. I didn't score it this way, you can if you want. This is probably the least meaningful result of the survey. Note: 3 - This could be called the real winner. Most people feel that some change is required. Raw vote: -------- Prop. Proposal Description YES NO ABSTAIN 2) Add check for 2:1 Yes:No ratio 82 23 11 11) Independent vote counters 73 10 33 8) STV multiple voting scheme 51 32 33 7) MAUVE multiple voting scheme 51 29 36 9) Newsgroup Committee 44 45 27 6) Hold name vote for popular but controversial groups 43 40 33 12) Trial Newsgroups 40 47 29 3) Less restrictive requirements for moderated groups 38 37 41 1) Raise NO vote threshold to 200 25 59 32 5) Hold preliminary name vote for all groups 24 57 35 10) Newgroup Czar 18 66 32 14) Any change 16 59 41 4) 100 NO's vetoes a new group 15 62 39 13) No change 8 86 41 Thanks again, to all these folks: --------------------------------- N Y N N N Y A A A N Y N N N From: "A.P. 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