Path: utzoo!attcan!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!rutgers!bellcore!jupiter!karn From: karn@jupiter..bellcore.com (Phil R. Karn) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans Subject: Re: Ethernet over twisted pair: a summary of the "whys" Message-ID: <18510@bellcore.bellcore.com> Date: 6 Dec 89 23:08:59 GMT References: <4686@blake.acs.washington.edu> <2230039@hprnd.HP.COM> Sender: news@bellcore.bellcore.com Reply-To: karn@jupiter.bellcore.com (Phil R. Karn) Organization: Bell Communications Research, Inc Lines: 49 On the subject of Ethernet and RF interference, I can say with some authority that coax is *not* a guarantee against problems. I have a thin Ethernet at home with three machines (Sun, XT and 386 PC clones). When I replaced my PCs' old decrepit 3Com 3C-501 Ethernet controllers with newer TRW PC-2000 boards, the level of RF noise heard in my HF (< 30 MHz) amateur radio transceiver went up significantly. It seems that as competition heated up in the PC Ethernet market, the manufacturers started cutting corners on their RF filtering. The root problem is the requirement that Ethernet coax shields be isolated from the host computer ground. Ethernet controllers with built-in thinnet transceivers do this with an insulated BNC connector on the back panel. Unfortunately, the isolation between the transceiver and the rest of the unit is not very good at RF frequencies (probably due to capacitive coupling across the isolation transformers, plus other stray board capacitances). The end result is that the coax acts as a nice long-wire antenna that effectively conducts RF noise out of the computer and radiates it. Note that the coax shield is ineffective here because the noise is a common-mode signal; radiation is from the outside of the shield. The very early 3C501 cards had reasonably effective pi-network low pass filters on their BNC connectors that consisted of ferrite rings plus a couple of disk capacitors from each side to the metal mounting bracket. Later versions of the 3C501, plus just about every other manufacturers' cards, started scrimping on the filters. Some current cards have no filtering on the connector at all, but instead have a single disk capacitor/spark gap on the PC board between the transceiver and PC grounds. This probably *enhances* RF leakage because of the "hot" internal grounds found in most computers. (Many digital engineers have apparently never heard of "ground loops".) I finally got my problem under control by using external transceivers. Ethernet transceiver cables are well shielded, and more importantly their shields connect directly to the external metal casing of the PC and to the metal chassis of the transceiver. Also, the capacitance of the cable apparently does a good job at attenuating conducted noise between the signal pairs and the cable shield. It's still not perfect, but about the only better thing I could try would be fiber. By the way, for a good time try monitoring an Ethernet with a shortwave receiver tuned to 10 MHz. File transfers sound remarkably like the infamous Russian Woodpecker (a Soviet over-the-horizon radar that is much reviled by radio amateurs and other users of the HF spectrum because of the widespread interference it causes.) Phil