Path: utzoo!attcan!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sunybcs!rutgers!att!cbnewsh!wcs From: wcs@cbnewsh.ATT.COM (Bill Stewart 201-949-0705 ho95c.att.com!wcs) Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix Subject: Re: USENIX Board Studies UUCP Message-ID: <6434@cbnewsh.ATT.COM> Date: 8 Dec 89 04:20:28 GMT References: Reply-To: wcs@cbnewsh.ATT.COM (Bill Stewart 201-949-0705 ho95c.att.com!wcs) Organization: News Busters Lines: 22 ]>Clearly, the Telebit 'g' spoof works well for us now. Philosophically, ]>though, it bothers me that we have an OS as vendor-independent as UNIX, ]>yet we are so dependent on Telebit. Ideally, other equipment should be Actually, it's the opposite - the protocol Telebit modems use to talk to each other interferes with vendor-independent protocols such as uucp-g, kermit, xmodem, etc., by having long line-turn-around delays and doing large-packet transmissions, both of which are much different from the default case (even flow on full-duplex, which you get either from real wire or conventional modems.) Telebit has done a lot of work to create workarounds so we can use normal software making normal assumptions, and still have their boxes in the middle. The reason we're all dependent on them is because their boxes cost such a reasonable price that it's much cheaper to pay $500-1000 (depending on when you bought it) than it is to pay the additional phone bills for 1200-2400 baud. -- # Bill Stewart, AT&T Bell Labs 4M312 Holmdel NJ 201-949-0705 api.att.com!wcs # We did it for the formlessness ...