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From: brandonl@amadeus.WR.TEK.COM (Brandon G. Lovested)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga
Subject: Re: Commodore and UNIX in AmigaWorld 68030
Summary: good points
Keywords: UNIX CBM 68030 "gangly"
Message-ID: <1033@wrgate.WR.TEK.COM>
Date: 13 Dec 89 02:45:37 GMT
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In article <38703@lanl.gov>, tjf@lanl.gov (Tom J Farish) writes:
> 
> The main problem those of use raised on VMS have with unix is the
> lack of easily remembered commands, I think.  A few examples:
> 
> want to do a DIRectory?   Use 'ls' of course!
> Want to REName a file?  Use 'mv' of course!
>
Very good points; I drev.  (drev = agree, didn't you know that? ;-) )
If this really bugs you, and it does me, too, DO NOT APPROACH AN APOLLO
WORKSTATION RUNNING _DOMAIN_.  It is "Unix-like," but changes all those
commands you had to memorize so that YOU can be Unix-like.

 
> Want to mave files from one unix machine to another?  Hmmm can't use
> 'copy' or 'cp'....you have to use CFS or FILEM etc.
>
This depends on how the two Unix machines are connected (e.g.: LAN).

 
> Want to SET some terminal bit or password or file attribute etc etc.
> (USe 14 different unix commands, none of which are in the index of the
> local UNIX maual)
>
Setting "terminal bit"s, as I understand you, is done within a device
driver, in /dev, which accesses tables on info on "well known" terminal
types.  File attributes, such as write permissions, are changed easily
with one command (chmod).  Pass word change?  => passwd

The power in Unix is not in its operating system; that is heavily criticized.
The power stems from the fact that Unix is an environment.  It typically
contains 250-500 little programs written as primitives, that when strung
together, will create *very* powerful tools.  Just read an introduction
to a shell programming book.  It can change your whole perspective.
This flexibility can cause a little more work, if all you want to do 
is something *real* primitive, true.
 
> I could go on, but I have to stude this %^&&^%$# unix manual to figure
> out whether I should use <esc> : x or ctrl-d to get out of this ^&&*%$#
> editor!
> 
> Yours in flames, tjf

Manual?
You got a manual?!
Lucky bum!

AT&T manuals, as I have encountered them (pity me - I had to use a 3b2)
*inhale with great force*, to put it politely.  It would seem that in AT&T,
like most big companies, the manual is written by people chosen for their 
total lack of involvement at any level with what the have too write
about.  This guarantees "freshness." - Just like those strips of paper 
over toilet seats, which is where most of those manuals should wind up.

 
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