Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!clyde.concordia.ca!uunet!uvm-gen!pegram From: pegram@uvm-gen.UUCP (pegram r) Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st Subject: Re: Soz C V1.2 Upgrade help required Message-ID: <1362@uvm-gen.UUCP> Date: 7 Dec 89 18:28:15 GMT References: <1852@atari.UUCP> Sender: nobody@uvm-gen.UUCP Organization: EMBA Computer Facility, Univ. of Vermont, Burlington. Lines: 48 From article <1852@atari.UUCP>, by kbad@atari.UUCP (Ken Badertscher): > steve@thelake.UUCP (Steve Yelvington) writes: > | In addition to providing a proper environment string, Gulam (or any other > | competent shell) will pass arguments to the Sozobon compiler and utilities > | without mangling them. GEM Desktop uppercases everything [...] > The Desktop stopped doing that as of Mega TOS. Rainbow TOS doesn't mangle > args in the TTP box either. Yet Another Reason To Get Rainbow TOS. > -- > ||| Ken Badertscher (ames!atari!kbad) > ||| Atari R&D System Software Engine > / | \ #include One good thing came from that original bug in the Desktop, Dan Wilga wrote Neodesk. It still supports a proper environment string (which you have to set up) and probably could run Soz C. So people with and without TOS 1.4 can run good stuff from a desktop. Damn news posting program wants more original input, so here's a short description of NeoDesk. ND replaces the desktop with an enhanced version, it can remain resident (about 230K) and function just like the desktop, or it can leave only 21k in Ram as programs execute, reloading afterwards (slow! w/o pinhed 8-)). It supports icons for every possible program name or extension, which can be created in its own icon editor. It improves on the desktop in many subtle ways: printer icon for printing with spooling, so double clicking on a non executable icon immediately shows its contents on the screen - it can run a command interpreter on batch files - it does a correct application install - allows "program icons" to be placed on the desktop, so you don't have to shuffle through all your hard drive folders to execute those programs, has keyboard equivalents for many menu and desktop operations, and more that I forget (improved disk and file copy, formatting to real IBM, sets date and time correctly, allows file MOVES... 8-)). Speaking of reloading and such can anyone tell me why the Laser C (2.1) shell loads external programs so fast? I run it with Pinhed, TurboSt 1.6, and TurboDos 1.05, and it beats the desktop and NeoDesk (2.03) all to pieces. On speedups and the reverse, I pulled out my HabaWriter 1.1 (the debugged version) and ran it with TurboST. Very amused to find that TurboST makes it acceptably fast, but it still won't do double spacing. TurboSt 1.6 slows one program drastically, Opus 1.? (from STLog), the lines dividing the cells take forever to draw. TurboST 1.6 (on Monochrome) also blows up if it's in Multidesk and Neodesk runs afterwards. Bob Pegram (pegram@griffin.uvm-gen.uvm.edu <@ U.of Vt.>)