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From: jjung@sal-sun10.usc.edu (John Jung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: FLAMES and SUPPORT IN THE MINUS REALM
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Date: 11 Dec 89 17:34:18 GMT
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In article <2369@cuphub.cup.edu> kar7481@cuphub.cup.edu (Dan Karbowsky;AtariEliteOfPghPa bbs412-384-5609) writes:
>In article <1864@atari.UUCP>, kbad@atari.UUCP (Ken Badertscher) writes:
>> I'm not way off base. I may be wrong in your case, and in fact I may be
>> wrong in the case of every person who reads comp.sys.atari.st!...
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>> Users, by and large, want to use their computers.
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>["No defense, Ken", deleted]
> BUT HAVEN'T YOU REALIZED THAT THE GENERAL CONSENSUS OF PERSONS ON THIS
> NEWSGROUP SEEM TO BE ***QUITE PISSED OFF*** AT ATARI FOR NOT GIVING
> ANY REALISTIC SUPPORT IN ANY WAY TO ANY ST USERS/PROGRAMMERS/WHATEVERS
> AND YOU HAVE (in the past 3 weeks since our site has had this newsgroup,anyway)
> NOT REALLY _STRENGTHENED_ ATARI'S OVERALL PICTURE IN THE EYES OF AT LEAST
> THIS PROGRAMER/USER/etc... AND MORE THAN LIKELY--A ((FEW)) OTHERS TOO!!!

  But why should Atari support the end-users/public domain programmers? Most
people who own computers have absolutely no desire whatsoever to program it.
They just want to _use_ it and possibly play games one it. _THAT'S_ it. They
don't give a damn if Turbo C is available for their machine, they just care
that WordPerfect's available for it. All the people who've been sending flames
to Ken _are_ way off base. comp.sys.atari.st is by no means an accurate
representation of all Atari end-users out there.

  However, I do wish Atari would make some of the ST's technical specs
available for any end-user who wants it, but doesn't have the money to get the
Developers' Package. So, I humbly suggest to Atari, to allow us end-users who
_want_ to program, but don't have the money, to let us pay for the tech specs,
but not get the full fledge Developers' Package.

  In other words, what I simply want Atari to do, is allow for something
similar to De Re Atari for the 8-bits. If we (end-users) really want the
technical info on the ST's, we can order them from Atari, without having to
become a developer. And for those 90% end-users who don't _care_ about
programming, they won't be affected.

  How about it, Ken? A little extra money to be spent, but it'll sure help out
all the public domain authors a lot.

						John