Path: utzoo!attcan!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!cs.utexas.edu!usc!apple!claris!drc From: drc@claris.com (Dennis Cohen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac Subject: Re: Claris, MacTerminal, Zterm, Zmodem, Apple Message-ID: <10722@claris.com> Date: 6 Dec 89 15:22:58 GMT References: Organization: Claris Corporation, Santa Clara CA Lines: 32 perez@andromeda.rutgers.edu.rutgers.edu (Willie Perez) writes: >I have a suggestion! >I've been waiting for my MacTerminal upgrade for ages. >Seems nowadays that some shareware programs are almost just >as good as the products we pay good money for. Why doesn't >Claris take MacTerminal (since it has all the other originally >Apple programs) and add Zmodem and scripting. This, I know, >will directly compete with WhiteKnight(RedRyder) and Microphone II. >But I'm kind of upset that I paid good money for MacTerminal >which only supports Xmodem (no scripting) and shareware programs >ZTerm for example, already support Zmodem! Normally, I would just respond to this by mail, but it has been asked before and so the information should probably be more widely shared. When Apple spun Claris off, it gave Claris application programs and kept "System Software" in-house. Apple considers MacTerminal to be "System Software" just as they consider HyperCard to be System Software. Claris can't "take" MacTerminal, Apple has to "give" it and there is no way that they are going to do so, especially with their classification of connectivity (including telecommunications) software as "System Software". Lest you think I don't understand your frustration, I also paid good money (in the form of upgrading a 128K Mac to a 512K back in 1984) for MacTerminal (and MacProject). A few months later, I sent a shareware payment to Scott Watson for Red Ryder 4.0 and used various versions of Red for all my telecomm needs except AppleLink until I bought CompuServe Navigator. I still use RR (and am awaiting my upgrade to WK). I've tried each release of ZTerm since .75, but keep going back to RR. Getting any support out of Apple or their dealer base for MacTerminal was quickly discovered to be an exercise in futility.