Xref: utzoo news.admin:7954 news.groups:15592 Path: utzoo!attcan!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!neat.cs.toronto.edu!rayan From: rayan@cs.toronto.edu (Rayan Zachariassen) Newsgroups: news.admin,news.groups Subject: Re: Mutual Moderation (was: Semi-moderated newsgroups) Keywords: moderation newsgroups semi-moderated peer review quality Message-ID: <89Dec13.033005est.2334@neat.cs.toronto.edu> Date: 13 Dec 89 08:30:48 GMT References: <5014@freja.diku.dk> Lines: 71 I wrote some shell scripts and an rn macro to facilitate this; my scheme was to have a duplicate hierarchy under a new toplevel which mirrored the existing hierarchy (e.g. digest.comp.unix.wizards). It would append the name of the reviewer to a file etc. I didn't pursue it mostly because it got to the point where someone had to write code (along the lines you mention) to make it really useful, and I was also worried about the immense added volume in just passing "I like this article" type control messages around the net. Somebody (Chuqui?) later said they (actually Erik Fair, I think) had also thought of this kind of system and termed it "accolades", which I think is a very appropriate name. This kind of system would even be useful in a local context, where scores of semi-trustworthy grad student types read every newsgroup there is, and some specialize in various groups due to domain knowledge in the area of the group. The people who would like to follow all these things but find the thought of wading through all this cruft depressing (and therefore don't), would be enticed to read news again if the good stuff had already been filtered out. rayan ps: here's the posting I'm referring to: From news.misc Sat Jun 24 16:08:11 1989 Path: jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!apple!chuq From: chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) Newsgroups: news.misc Subject: Re: In Moderation: A Moderator's Response Message-ID: <32547@apple.Apple.COM> Date: 20 Jun 89 15:44:13 GMT References: <632@biar.UUCP> <2213@qiclab.UUCP> <2258@drilex.UUCP> Organization: Life is just a Fantasy novel played for keeps Lines: 58 [ ... ] >1. You could get your feed from anywhere, and transmit it anywhere. >In Moderation Network would supply you with a list of cruft article IDs; Gads. Erik Fair wrote an article for 'login:' a few years back that covered something very similar to this concept. Called the "accolade" named by yours truly, it had people sending control messages around the net 'congratulating' a specific article -- and you could set your system to only read messages with a specific minimum number of accolades. Alternatively, you could look for accolades by a given net-address who's judgement you trusted. Good ideas always seem to come back, although I don't believe it's practical large numbers of accoladers. A few specific editors, though... >2. You could get your feed from anywhere, and transmit it anywhere. >In Moderation Network would supply you with a feed of cancel messages. >Each of these would be frobbed up to ensure that they will be accepted >by your news software Unfortunately, both of these ideas carries one serious negative (at least, from the point of IMN). Once a site trashes an article, it won't retransmit downstream. This means that a site like mcvax could buy the IMN service and all of Europe would live on its coattails. Any group of sites willing to funnel through a single point could then accept the services of IMN passively without paying for them. Besides, one of the main advantages of IMN that I see is getting the trash off my modem. Doing the deletion after the fact actually increases traffic load rather than decreases. It also has timing problems -- if you read your news between the time the article comes in and IMN pops in it's batch of deletion messages, you see all the articles you're paying to not see. chuq Chuq Von Rospach =|= Editor,OtherRealms =|= Member SFWA/ASFA chuq@apple.com =|= CI$: 73317,635 =|= AppleLink: CHUQ [This is myself speaking. No company can control my thoughts.] You are false data. Therefore I shall ignore you.