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From: olorin@walt.cc.utexas.edu (Dave Weinstein)
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Subject: Re: CALL FOR VOTES: talk.religion.pagan (moderated)
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Date: 13 Dec 89 19:04:31 GMT
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In article <9264@hoptoad.uucp> tim@hoptoad.UUCP (Tim Maroney) writes:
>This is totally out of order.  There has been very little discussion
>here; the guidelines require that issues on naming and moderation be
>settled before the call for votes.  As it is, an informal poll on these
>issues was declared last month and is still going on, for roughly one
>more week.  After there is discussion of its results, then it will be
>in order for someone to call for votes.  Until then, hold your damn
>horses.

	The original call for discussion was made on or about the
eleventh of November, and the discussion period was specified as
a time period of one month. Initially, there was a period of active
discussion, which culminated in a poll on the possible names, and
whether or not the group should be moderated. After I posted the
results of this poll, the *only* response was an (IMHO) unwarranted
flame from you which consisted primarily of attacks on those who were
"attempting to rename talk.religion.newage", and on the foolishness of
using a poll to determine the groupname (which, considering your newfound
love of your poll, I find highly ironic). When I and others pointed out
that there had been no discussion of doing anything to talk.religion.newage
you immediately called for an informal vote on renaming the newsgroup
(with the creation and possible name of another newsgroup as a side question).
Quite frankly, this is the second time you flamed me without checking all
of the facts. I have been careful to observe the guidelines (the specified
discussion period is longer than the guidelines require), and as there have
been no posts concerning the discussion in over a week (and the only ones
before that concerned your attacks on "renaming" talk.religion.newage), I
quite honestly cannot see how there has been any violation of the letter
or spirit of the guidelines.
>
>It's also pretty ridiculous to nominate yourself as moderator.

	I placed my name in as moderator for several reasons, the most
important being that I want to see the group get off the ground, and I
am unwilling to ask someone else to do something I would not do myself.
The identity of the moderator doesn't really matter (the field of moderation
is specifically limited in the charter for that reason). Furthermore, there
are rules for the changing of moderators included in the group charter. If
you (or anyone else) is unhappy with me as moderator, or someone else would
like to take over the job once the group is underway, I will be quite happy
to hold a moderator election and step down thereafter.


>-- 
>Tim Maroney, Mac Software Consultant, sun!hoptoad!tim, tim@toad.com
>

--Dave

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