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From: denise@dadla.WR.TEK.COM (Denise Caire)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: So am I, waiting
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Date: 6 Dec 89 23:05:34 GMT
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In article <1045@dinorah.wustl.edu> mary@dinorah.wustl.edu (Mary E. Leibach) writes:
>Denise Caire writes:
>
>>Again, all you we-hate-cats people 
>
>First off, I, among others in this group, do not hate cats.  I love
>them.  However this is hardly the group in which to expect cat fan
>clubs.

I can't help but notice you along with Ed B., Mikki B., Mike M.,
K. Sullivan, and who knows who all never address the fact that
someone in this group said to shoot cats enticed to birds at feeders.

From all the bad mouthing I've received in an open forum, I'ld say 
this is an emotional issue.  Step back from your emotions and see
the facts.  (I will be researching over my Christmas vacation).

I also find the amount of support I've received through e-mail, NOT
this group, to be quite revealing.  Interesting how some choose to 
support me behind the backs of the folks in this group.  What do you
make of that?

You, in the open forum, think you can shut me up and shoo me away
because you don't want to open your eyes.  I will not be "crowed"
into shutting up and if that "ruffles your feathers", then so be it.
  
>And when we try to we get sick jokes hurled at us.  Or at least I do.
>The rest are probably too smart to bother even trying.

Hey, I already admitted that the joke was uncalled for, but it did
startle you, didn't it?  That is exactly how I felt when shooting cats
was suggested.  And I retaliated with a sick joke that wasn't in the
least bit funny, and I knew that.

>
>>Surely there must be a couple intelligent people 
>cats mauling them aren't intelligent, would you?
>

Well, as I have already suggested in a previous response, you could
try supporting environmentally conscience groups (as I'm sure many of
you do) instead of "sticking your heads in the sand" and saying that
cats are bad.  (If you truely like cats, then "scratch" the last
sentance).  

>>this net who could research this topic (controlling cats) and make
>>suggestions as to what will work.  Just think, you could make a million
>>bucks with an answer to this one!
>
>Like I suggested before, this is rec.birds.  The people here are
>concerned about keeping cats OUT of THEIR yards.  Experts on methods
>to safely keep YOUR cat IN YOUR yard are to be found in abundance in
>rec.pets .  Why don't you ask some of them?
>Or don't you really want to know?

I guess what really "sticks in my craw" is the fact that it is so easy
to place a feeder where cats can't get to birds, why not do it?
I agree now with another poster who stated that if some people
didn't hate cats, they would just hate something else.

Ignorance is bliss!

>
>>Cats are good!
>
>As are birds. 

There never was an argument on that! 
(Too bad I can't make such a unilateral statement about people.)

>Still waiting for that apology.

Don't hold your beak.  I'ld also like the person who said to shoot
cats to admit that they are wrong!

>
>If this discussion MUST continue in this vein, maybe it should mosey
>on over to alt.flame and do the rec.bird crowd a BIG favor.

How can an attempt to educate people be a flame war?  All in ones
perspective I suppose.

Denise "I like mohs all animals 'cept possums" Caire
denise@dadla.WR.TEK.COM