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From: denise@dadla.WR.TEK.COM (Denise Caire)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Re: OUTDOOR Bird Plunder
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Date: 7 Dec 89 00:09:06 GMT
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In article <1048@dinorah.wustl.edu> mary@dinorah.wustl.edu (Mary E. Leibach) writes:
>denise@dadla.WR.TEK.COM (Denise Caire) writes:
>
>>First of all, isn't name calling fun?  Had enough?  I know I have.  So,
>>I won't make any personal judgements of you as you have of me.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>I am not:
>>   lazy
>>   irresponsible
>>   uncaring
>>   cruel
>>   uneducated
>
>
>Hm, really interesting.  Because in the same post, you write:
>
>>you bird-loving-narrow-minded-insufferable idiots
>>intolerant of other people's opinions
>>you mud-slinging birders
>>the general intolerance towards facts some of you display truely
>>lends credence to the term "bird-brain".  

Well, of course I had to open the article with the first line
(you bird-loving-narrow-minded-insufferable idiots) to sort of even
the slate from about 10 of you calling me names.

And the other lines (intolerant of other people's opinions, 
mud-slinging birders, credance to the term "bird-brain") simply
reiterate the general tone of some responses to the topic
"how to keep cats from killing birds at the feeder short of shooting
them".  It really isn't any fun to be on the receiving end, is it?

>I think that this is really a case of giving someone enough rope, they
>will hang themselves.  If it weren't so sad, it would be funny.

Here, here, I agree!  If certain persons reading this group would
wake up to the facts about declining bird populations and quit
blaming the misrepresented cat, then it will be worth it.

>
>Mind you, making jokes about birds like the one you made about mine is
>NOT the way to establish yourself as a bird lover.

And, after reading all the personal insults, observing the arrogance,
and waking up to the fact that this is an elitest group, who really
cares if you and yours think I love birds.   (What I know in my heart
is all that really matters.)

>
>Still waiting.
>	-Mary

You already got what one might interpret as an almost apology.  I said
the joke was bad and uncalled for; that it for shock effect only.
When JIM KIMBALL can admit he is wrong publicly, in this group, then I
might issue a full "no-strings-attached" aplogy.  Until then, don't
hold your beak.

Me too,
Denise