Path: utzoo!attcan!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!usc!ucsd!brian From: brian@ucsd.Edu (Brian Kantor) Newsgroups: sci.electronics Subject: Re: power from phone line Keywords: phone, power, remote Message-ID: <10345@ucsd.Edu> Date: 7 Dec 89 14:59:03 GMT References: <14230@jumbo.dec.com> <3542@kitty.UUCP> <6300@lindy.Stanford.EDU> <5651@internal.Apple.COM> Reply-To: brian@ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor) Organization: The Avant-Garde of the Now, Ltd. Lines: 32 Typical phone lines in the USA have around 48 to 52 volts DC on them when the phone is on-hook (hung up, eh?). That drops to "talking battery" of about 4 to 10 volts when the phone is off-hook. During ringing, about 90 to 120 volts of 20 Hz alternating current is applied to the line. To power something off the phone line, you have to determine whether the device needs constant power or only needs power when the phone is off-hook. You see, if you draw any significant amount of current (a few milliamps or so), the central office equipment senses that as a phone being off-hook. Devices that require constant power generally derive it from the phone line by using extremely low-power circuitry (almost always CMOS stuff), and feeding the incoming line through some high-value resistors, rectifiers, regulators, and filtering components to keep the ringing voltage and lightning surges from frying the device. Devices that only need power when the phone is to be off-hook can grab more power, but they need to do it through a coupling circuit to allow the audio interface to the phone line to survive. The same sort of protective devices and isolators are needed. You can buy complete modules to interface to the phone line, but I've not seen any marketed which also provide device power. Probably you could twist one into doing that, though. A few minutes spent with a voltmeter and a telephone line is a rewarding experience, and educational too. A scope will let you see some of the timing and frequencies used as well. Try not to zap your ass on the ringing voltage. - Brian