Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: jrossi@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (The Electric Sol) Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Re: HUMAN VERSES SINLESS Message-ID: Date: 7 Dec 89 07:30:10 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Organization: Jet Propelled Lab - Pasadena CA Lines: 25 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu In article gross@dg-rtp.dg.com (Gene Gross) writes: > >Simplistically, you could say that a person is a liar if they have lied >but once. The same can be said for sin--you commit one sin you are a >sinner. So was the original act of disobedience, the act of a sinner. If a sinner is described as someone who disobeys God, the Adam and Eve can be described as sinners. I don't see how you can escape the conclusion that they were created as sinners, since once they had been created, they wasted little time before disobeying God. They were sinners *before* the fall. If they weren't sinners, they wouldn't have sinned, free will or not. I realize I've been harping about this point for some time, but no one has satisfactorily addressed this issue, except for perhaps "you're wrong...and you should accept that your wrong, or you'll go to hell." -- -jrossi@jato.jpl.nasa.gov "Constantly choosing the lesser of two evils -ames!elroy!jato!jrossi is still choosing evil." -Cptn. Trips **********************STANDARD DISCLAIMER******************************