Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!orion.oac.uci.edu!uci-ics!ucla-cs!math.ucla.edu!sonia!trainor From: trainor@sonia.math.ucla.edu (Douglas J. Trainor) Newsgroups: alt.drugs Subject: Re: My First Acid Trip Message-ID: <2177@sunset.MATH.UCLA.EDU> Date: 19 Jan 90 06:38:07 GMT References: <25270@cup.portal.com> <23762@gryphon.COM> <25335@cup.portal.com> <25A285AD.5871@paris.ics.uci.edu> <288@tau-ceti.ll.isc-br.com> <25A479F7.10780@paris.ics.uci.edu> <293@tau-ceti.ll.isc-br.com> Sender: news@MATH.UCLA.EDU Reply-To: trainor@math.ucla.edu (Douglas J. Trainor) Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department Lines: 43 geraldb@tau-ceti.ll.isc-br.com (Gerald Bryan (Denver)) writes: >[...] >I have no ideas on how niacinamide (which is what I took) might have >aborted the psychological effects of the bad trip. Indeed, I have >no ideas on why psychedelics even produce trips to begin with (and >I submit that all published theories on this process, including those >that document psychedelics' actions on brain neuro-transmitters like >serotonin, somehow miss the point and serve more to fulfill our need >for understanding than provide truth). And for some people, certain psychedelics seem to have no effect. Even drugs with steep dose-response relationships... >There is a tendency in all of us to ignore a fact if we cannot >explain it. I took niacinamide one hour into the trip, and the >psychological effects of the trip were over one hour later. This >is what was predicted by the literature that prompted me to buy the >niacinamide in the first place. This happened 10 years ago, and >I've forgotten the original reference. I'm VERY open to the possibility >that the trip was over in one hour precisely because I BELIEVED that >this is what would happen. > >And does labelling something as a placebo effect really mean that >we understand it ? Or is it just an illusion to satisfy our >need to understand ? The nature of the placebo effect needs to be studied more. If I were having what is described as a "bad trip" on acid, I'm sure I wouldn't care if it worked because of the "placebo effect" or even if some sexy UFO were healing me! Look up medical references to "hexing". Re. references to "aborting" trips. Check out Osmond's partner, Abram Hoffer's (sp) work with mega-vitamins. He should have some published stuff. ********************************************************************* * I've got an experiment for THC enthusiasts. Eat or smoke your * * fill, and then take about 2000 mg. of fast-acting vitamin C (ask * * at the store for those derived from potassium, calcium, magnesi- * * um, zinc and manganese ascorbates). Post your results anonymously * * when you feel you have some. * ********************************************************************* P.S. Does anyone know where that "Gorby Blotter Acid" was confiscated ?