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From: trainor@sonia.math.ucla.edu (Douglas J. Trainor)
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Subject: Re: MAO inhibitors [request]
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Date: 19 Jan 90 07:26:56 GMT
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dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.COM (Steve Dyer) writes:
 |sunset.MATH.UCLA.EDU> trainor@MATH.UCLA.EDU (Douglas J. Trainor) writes:
 | |Anyone got a list of common MAO inhibitors (i.e. food stuffs) that
 | |should not be consumed with MDMA?  E.g., red wine, chicken liver, 
 | |non-pasturized yogurt, ...
 |
 |You've got it backwards.  You're thinking of tyramine (a sympathomimetic
 |amine found in aged foods formed from the breakdown of tyrosine).
 |People taking MAO inhibitors avoid such foods because tyramine is
 |ordinarily quickly destroyed by MAO.  In the presense of a MAO inhibitor,
 |tyramine is absorbed from the gut and produces symptoms of excessive
 |adrenergic activity: headache, raised blood pressure, etc.  Severe cases
 |can cause a stroke.

Good call!  Must be this flashback-fever-induced bout of hallucinations, 
or Dyer's latent psychic abilities...  I confused the tyramine food list
(red wine, chicken liver, yogurt, ...) with the MAO inhibitor list.  I
still want to know about common things which are on the MAO inhibitor
list though.  I.e., I want to know about the connections of:
            +-------------------------------------+
            |         CERTAIN PSYCHEDELICS        |
            |            /                        |
            | MAO INHIBITORS             TYRAMINE |
            +-------------------------------------+
and *NOT*:
            +-------------------------------------+
            |         CERTAIN PSYCHEDELICS        |
            |                                     |
            | MAO INHIBITORS <---------> TYRAMINE |
            +-------------------------------------+

One note for the record.  I got hypothermia over Thanksgiving and was
generally ralphing my brains out and delerious.  I experienced some
wicked-bad states of consciouness mixed with some very nice ones
(they'd come in waves).  So now it's January, I've got the flu, and
when I ralph, I get to those good states of consciousness instantly.
I guess the body does remember.

I can now identify with trauma victims that experience OBE's, cuz when
the pain was the greatest from the hypothermia (worse than anything in
_Hellraiser_), I felt like I was transported to another dimension, and
that my consciousness was a point in that dimension.  The only sensory
input I could get from Earth was auditory (the voices of my friends),
and I had to concentrate to get that.  But there was no pain where I
was.  I never lost consciousness in the sense of losing my sense of
self identity.

Pointers to hypothermia-consciousness appreciated.

    douglas

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