Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!cs.utexas.edu!usc!brutus.cs.uiuc.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!rhg2 From: rhg2@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Rich Graham) Newsgroups: alt.individualism Subject: Re: Kennedy wasn't the first. Message-ID: <21642@unix.cis.pitt.edu> Date: 16 Jan 90 15:35:04 GMT References: <89348.161937BROWN@NCSUVM.BITNET. <1372@becker.UUCP. <461@smcnet.UUCP. <51@zds-ux.UUCP. <467@smcnet.UUCP. <67@zds-ux.UU <2540@odin.SGI.COM. <90008.000413HERSCH@AUVM.BITNET. <1856@osc.COM> Reply-To: rhg2@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Rich Graham) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh, Comp & Info Services Lines: 44 In article <1856@osc.COM> tma@osc.UUCP (Tim Atkins) writes: >They can be a communist. They have the right to make films (as long as >no one is coerced to provide the means). Similarly, others have the >right: > 1) to seek out knowledge of and expose to the public those who are > communist; > 2) to not deal with or in any way aid the communists. > This reminds me of the econmic pressure = censorship debate that springs up every time some group organizes a ban on advertizers of an "offensive" tv program. Sure, they have the "right" to do the above, and this is an unfortunate consequence of protecting people's rights. There is nothing forcing the holders of these rights to wield them in a wise, prudent manner. A black man can open a business in a white neighborhood, but the whites still have the "right" not to shop there. This doesn't make it a wise or beneficial thing to do, but they DO have the right, don't they? So while no LEGAL persecution of political beliefs (in the case of the HUAC), or racial discrimination (in the case of the black business man), or censorship (in the case of the ban) takes place, all three exist EFFECTIVELY. Makes you wonder, though, what would have happened to the individuals "excersizing their rights (1 and 2 above)" if a 1960's-style Civil Rights Act was around for them. I mean, take your scenerio above and turn the clock back to the mid 1960's. Then substitute "blacks" for "communists" and "racists" for "others". Maybe justice wasn't quite as blind as you think it was. At any rate, I think a big part of the "why shouldn't they be communists" question was "why are you so doggone happy to see the communists persecuted." You do seem awfully satisfied with the fact that the destruction of these people's careers, reputations, and lives is protected by the Constitution. Are you similarly pleased when the victims of these rights are blacks or homosexuals or jews or etc.? -- Richard H. Graham University of Pittsburgh - CIS rhg2@unix.cis.pitt.edu