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From: ellis@chips.sri.com (Michael Ellis)
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Subject: Re: Phil Ronzone's stereo
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Date: 17 Jan 90 08:51:45 GMT
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> Peter Nelson >> Phil Ronzone

>>So in Germany in the 30's and 40's it was MORAL to kill Jews, the insane,
>>and anyone declared by the state to be "unfit"?

> That's right.  By their standards it was OK.

>>It was MORAL to treat blacks, Chinese, etc. as subhuman in American
>>50 years ago?

> Again, by the standards of the people doing these things, Yes.  

    Slavery, infanticide, Stalinism, Nazism, all these real world horrors
    are beyond reason's power to condemn, or so Peter would have us believe.

    Now I ask, is this a reasonable person speaking?

> That's how the Real World actually works....

    Your concept of "reason" is not reasonable: it is of negative
    utility to real human beings in the real world. 

-michael