Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!ukma!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!pt.cs.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!jb3o+ From: jb3o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jon Allen Boone) Newsgroups: alt.individualism Subject: Re: Phil Ronzone's stereo Message-ID: Date: 17 Jan 90 09:16:38 GMT References: <2310@odin.SGI.COM> <12569@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> <2356@odin.SGI.COM> <1990Jan13.090428.25775@agate.berkeley.edu> <2818@odin.SGI.COM> <8ZggXmy00W0TM96LF=@andrew.cmu.edu>, <2847@odin.SGI.COM> Distribution: usa Organization: Class of '92, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 53 In-Reply-To: <2847@odin.SGI.COM> pkr@maddog.sgi.com (Phil Ronzone) writes: > In article <8ZggXmy00W0TM96LF=@andrew.cmu.edu> jb3o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jon Allen Boone) writes: > >I suppose that means you. Why is that so? Why are *you* the one who > >gets to decide who has property rights and who doesn't? I, > >personally, prefer a more utilitarian approach - if i need to utilize > >it, i do so, irregardless of who "owns" it. However, if i am not > >using it, i will either "lend" or "give" it away to others who can or > >will use it. Also, there is a difference between wanting to use it > >and needing to use it. > > > As the above posting shows, communism lives on in the hearts and minds ... Well, if i'm a communist, then get out your gun and shoot me. Better tell everyone that i'm a communist - they wouldn't want to associate with me - after all, i'm against the government so i must be a bad seed, right? Every attempt i've ever seen at communism take away all the "basic" property rights of the individual and gives them to the state. There is a percieved difference between "This belongs to everyone - use it as you will" and "This belongs to the state - you are to do with it what we tell you to do with it." I am not in favor of that at all. Personally, i consider myself an anarchist, but if you want to consider me a communist, go right ahead. > I DON'T decide WHO has property rights. That may be the burning > issue in your mind, but not mine. No, not really. But you do seem to be quite concerned with it. You put a lot of effort into determing that group X (which includes you) has the right to property. I maintain that as you grow and expand your mind (which you may never do) you'll keep doing this, while simply replacing X with a different group. Oh well.... > I ASSERT that my property is my property and that no one has > the right to take it without my permission. And I ASSERT that if i feel that i need to i can take it without your permission, because i ASSERT that you don't have any property rights (excluding, perhaps, your body). Done? Now that we've stopped making assertions, let's see some rationalisations....i mean i can ASSERT anything i damn well please - but it don't mean diddly. > > ------Me and my dyslexic keyboard---------------------------------------------- > Phil Ronzone Manager Secure UNIX pkr@sgi.COM {decwrl,sun}!sgi!pkr > Silicon Graphics, Inc. "I never vote, it only encourages 'em ..." > -----In honor of Minas, no spell checker was run on this posting--------------- You and your dyslexic keyboard.... iain