Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!keith From: keith@pawl.rpi.edu (Keith D. Weiner) Newsgroups: alt.individualism Subject: Re: Phil Ronzone's stereo Message-ID: <=1R5L=@rpi.edu> Date: 17 Jan 90 16:24:15 GMT References: <2310@odin.SGI.COM> <12569@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> <2356@odin.SGI.COM> <1990Jan13.090428.25775@agate.berkeley.edu> <2818@odin.SGI.COM> <8ZggXmy00W0TM96LF=@andrew.cmu.edu> <2847@odin.SGI.COM> Distribution: usa Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY Lines: 13 Umm, people? I just started reading alt.individualism again, and I noticed an argument about property. On the one hand some assert that a majority _consensus_ determines property. Some assert the [communist] idea that _need_ determines ownership. A third faction asserts that property simply _is_ [a primary?] The correct approach to this question is: "Who created the property?" It is THIS person who owns it. He (she) may then transfer ownership voluntarily to someone else. This seems to be related to the objectivist/libertarian debate. As the Lians assert that property _is_ [a fundamdental irreducable primary] they also assert that liberty is a fundamental irreducable primary. It only remains for them to find the "proper" philosophy [because it supports their ideas]. This sounds like rationalization...