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From: pkr@maddog.sgi.com (Phil Ronzone)
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Subject: Re: MY :-) stereo
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Date: 18 Jan 90 19:57:04 GMT
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In article <13029@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> roger@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) writes:
>>Or maybe this starving guy stumbles across my winter cabin and breaks in
>>for shelter and food. He commits a crime. So? Pay me for the food,
>>repair the cabin and I'm O.K. Restitution IS a concept you know.
>
>But absolute ownership of your property is NO LONGER a concept, because
>you just said it was OK for the guy to help himself without your
>consent!   True, you have attached conditions to his actions, and just
>ones, too, I might add; but YOU HAVE LOST ABSOLUTE CONTROL OF YOUR
>PROPERTY.  you have granted him the RIGHT to control some of your
>property at his discretion.


Look, I use and choose my words carefully. Try reading and comprehending
them.

Theft is theft.

I own my property.

I don't know of any cases where I or anybody else has absolute CONTROL
of property. Earthquakes, coercion, all kinds of things happen.

CONTROL != OWNESHIP

I steal your car. I control it. Do I own it? No. Can you prevent me
from stealing your car if I really wanted to? No.

Got it?

I did NOT say it was O.K. for the guy to steal my property. Got that
asshole!!!??? I aid in that secnario above, I would be O.K. if
restitution was made. If the guy made a habit of it, I would NOT
feel O.K. about it.

You setal my car for a real emergency trip to hospital, it's theft,
but I would understand. Make restitution. Take my car often or for
non-emergencies, you got big time trouble.


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