Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!shelby!apple!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!crdgw1!excelan!unix!chips.sri.com!ellis From: ellis@chips.sri.com (Michael Ellis) Newsgroups: alt.individualism Subject: Re: Moral blindness Message-ID: <8165@unix.SRI.COM> Date: 18 Jan 90 18:36:53 GMT References: <4818d1b4.20b6d@apollo.HP.COM> Sender: news@unix.SRI.COM Reply-To: ellis@chips.sri.com.UUCP (Michael Ellis) Distribution: usa Organization: Berkeley Private Language Institute Lines: 27 > Peter Nelson > While physical science demonstrably progresses, philosophers > and religionists continue to waste their time shouting at each > other, "Is not!", "Is too!", "Is not!" "Is too!" and getting > precisely nowhere, as they have for centuries. That's because science is easy, ethics hard. Now in one sense, there is progress in ethics. Enlightenment ethics in certain ways genuinely goes beyond that of Aristotle. And sometimes philosophy's experiments fail miserably, as Marx provides an example. Such philosophical experiments take decades or even centuries, and progress is necessarily painful and slow. Maybe the enlightenment thinkers actually got it right (just like the O'ists have been saying now for decades, BTW). In another sense, there really is no progress in ethics. Most of the low level stuff, the micropractices that underlie any possible human culture (we might call this intractable mass "human nature") really don't change. It is extraordinarily difficult disclose a new chunk which is of practical utility to the individual person. Consequently, first rate ethics written by the ancients is every bit valid as anything written in the past century. -michael