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From: cooleyra@clutx.clarkson.edu (Pixel,,,)
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Subject: More on this rape business (Re: Rape
Message-ID: <1990Jan17.015159.15384@sun.soe.clarkson.edu>
Date: 17 Jan 90 01:51:59 GMT
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From article <1990Jan11.191008.13218@alembic.acs.com>, by gypsy@alembic.acs.com (calamity jane):
> 
> i agree.  however, the point is, just because a woman does something
> foolish does not mean she deserves to be raped.  it may not be very
                                                   ^^ ^^^ ^^^ ^^ ^^^^
> responsible of a woman to take off her clothes and get into bed with
  ^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^ ^ ^^^^^ ^^ ^^^^ ^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^ ^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^
> a man she doesn't want to have sex with, but presumably men are 
  ^ ^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^ ^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^
> responsible enough to comprehend language, even when they have a 
> throbbing hard-on.  i don't care if he thinks he's been teased.  i
> don't care if his balls are so blue they fall off.  if he is asked
> to stop, he has a responsibility to do just that.  you are not
> relieved of personal responsibility just because someone else was
> irresponsible.  what women are trying to say here, and what men
> are totally failing to accept, is that there IS NO EXCUSE.  YES,
> women do foolish, irresponsible things sometimes.  that does NOT
> mean you are allowed to rape them.  you ALSO have to be responsible.
> DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
> 
> gypsy

Yeah...I understand.  And I know people should be responsible even if other
people aren't.  But the hypothetical woman shouldn't get into bed with the
hypothetical man w/o clothes without telling him she doesn't want sex...I've
been in this situation, altho at the time, *I* didn't want sex either...
Unless both people make it clear that sex isn't planned on, there exists that
little bit of doubt, which is what males use as an excuse.  I'm *not*
justifying it, i think it's wrong too.  but all you women out there, think
about it...don't give anybody an excuse like that!

(I can't wait to see the flames i'm gonna get.)
(lemme clarify something...i mostly agree with gypsy...but gypsy: even tho i'm
not saying it's the female's fault...she shouldn't give him any *easy*
excuse to say she was leading him on...)


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