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From: harryu@warpten.Central.Sun.COM (Harry Ugol)
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Subject: Re: sounds and shocks
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Date: 19 Jan 90 23:47:49 GMT
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In article <9001192130.AA28200@june.cs.washington.edu> wendyt@CS.WASHINGTON.EDU (Wendy Thrash) writes:
>
>Although many SM people are quite competent, careful, aware of sterile
>technique, etc., not all of them are, not even all the ones who
>play with dangerous things.  One may not accept Flash's injunction to
>avoid play with sounds completely, but one would be well advised to be
>_really sure_ that one's tops or teachers know what they are doing.
>I've seen unsafe technique in many areas from professional dominants
>with ten years of experience.  (No, I don't mean just sterile technique.)
>

Quite true, and a point that was (subconsciously) bothering me while I
was writing my article, but I overlooked it in the interests of making
a point.  My mistake.  Thanks, Wendy.  One of the reasons I didn't
make the point strongly enough is that for me it's an almost implicit
assumption - yes, this stuff can be dangerous; as such, one should
take every reasonable precaution to avoid needless hazard.  The
questions I'm still asking revolve around those words "reasonable" and
"needless".

Btw, while I'm correcting myself, I said I had a low opinion of human
competence.  What I meant to say, and should have said, was that in
general I have a low opinion of human opinions; in my experience,
human beings habitually fool themselves by ignoring the aspects of a
situation which do not fit into their worldview.  It's much the same
process as in perception, where nerves are constantly focusing on
important data and ignoring an unchanging (and therefore harmless)
background.  It's very efficient in the short run to ignore the
aspects of a situation which may not fit into your assumptions - after
all, questioning basic assumptions takes time and energy - but IMNSHO
there are significant advantages in the long run to fighting the
tendency.

>P.S.  My apologies if the headers are strange.

looks OK to me...

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	From: wendyt@CS.WASHINGTON.EDU (Wendy Thrash)
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	Subject: Re: sounds and shocks
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PS - hugs and love to the Big Bad Wolf; Goldilocks and the rest of us
miss you.
	
	
Harry Ugol
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