Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!uwm.edu!psuvax1!psuvm!ANDREW!DL2Y+ From: dl2y+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Donna Marie Lewis) Newsgroups: bit.listserv.christia Subject: Re: Matthew 16:18-19 and Rock vs. Little Stones Message-ID: Date: 15 Jan 90 05:15:46 GMT References: Sender: Practical Christian Life Reply-To: Practical Christian Life Lines: 46 Approved: NETNEWS@PSUVM Gateway In-Reply-To: Mr. Evans, " Mother of God " is an old, old title for Mary. Look up " Nestorianism ", a heresy of the sixth century, I believe, which said that she wasn't. As for the seven hills of Rome, the Book of Revelation was written when the Roman Empire was persecuting Chrisitians. No wonder that Babylon is seated on seven hills ! The Catholic explanation of the difference between " petros " and " petra " is gender. In Aramaic, the common language of Galilee, both words are " kepha". However, in writing the Gospels, the author, ( the human, not the Divine, one) did not want to apply the feminine word " petra " to Peter. Thus the difference in words. There is some Biblical substantiation for this belief in the fact that Peter is referred to as " Cephas " elsewhere in the Bible. As for Jesus referring to Himself as the Rock, why did He use the word " this" rock , immediately after calling Simon " Rock" ? In English, anyway, this construction usually means the thing referred to in the first part is the same as the thing referred to in the second part. I don't know if the construction's meaning is different in Greek. The big question is does one believe the Church is a living body, guided by the Holy Spirit, or not ? If so, you're Catholic, or possibly Orthodox, or maybe Anglican, although I'm not that familar with this denomination. If not, how does one explain the New Testament's authority ? There were a lot of writings claiming inspiration circulating in the early centuries. It was up to the early Church to decide what was inspired and what not, and she did. Of course, once this was decided, the Church submitted to the New Testament, and nothing in her teaching contradicts the Bible. If one says the Church never had inspiration, the gospel of Thomas is on the same level as the Gospel of Luke. If one says the Church had this authority and lost it, the problem is, why ? Sinfulness of the Church's members ? When weren't men sinful ? Isn't that why the Spirit's guidance is needed in the first place ? ( If one belongs to the bodies I mentioned, the problem is, which church is the One, I think. If I'm wrong, or unintentionally heretical , please correct me. ) Unrelated query:, are there any other Newman fans out there ? I've been trying to find " The Developement of Christian Doctrine " without much success. I think it's an essay, so it would probably be in a collection. Anyone know a small collection of essays that has it ? I devoured " Apologia " ," Present Position" , and " Collected Verses " I found the first brilliant, the second very funny in spots , and the third so-so, with great ideas but not brilliant poetry. . I should read " Idea of a University " soon, if I have time. Yours in Christ, Donna Marie Lewis Cor ad cor loquitur - " Heart speaks to heart " Gaudete semper - " Rejoice always "