Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!clyde.concordia.ca!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!usc!apple!bbn!bbn.com!slackey From: slackey@bbn.com (Stan Lackey) Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Cool CMOS at ECL speeds (?) Message-ID: <50985@bbn.COM> Date: 16 Jan 90 19:09:29 GMT References: <105@zds-ux.UUCP> <34525@mips.mips.COM> Sender: news@bbn.COM Reply-To: slackey@BBN.COM (Stan Lackey) Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA Lines: 21 In article <34525@mips.mips.COM> mark@mips.COM (Mark G. Johnson) writes: >In article <105@zds-ux.UUCP> gerry@zds-ux.UUCP (Gerry Gleason) writes: > >But doesn't CMOS get just as hot when you start clocking it at ECL speeds. > >Or if not as hot, close enough to have serious power and cooling problems. >According to Intel, No. And this isn't just religious dogma, they have >something that comp.arch all too often does not: measured data. At their >ISSCC presentation on the i860 (a CMOS microprocessor having onboard CPU, >floating point, and cache memory) they said that some parts would run at >50 MHz and, at that clock rate, dissipate only 2.5 Watts*. This is I wonder if the conditions under which they quote power are the same as those under which they quote performance: all pipes full, dual instruction mode, mul-accum instructions, graphics operations running? I mean, dissipation is proportional to load capacitance, which is going to be proportional to the number of nodes switching (ref: "halt and catch fire" instruction). Also, can it be that the faster chips in a lot are faster due to lower capacitance? PS the story I heard was Convex is using TTL-compatible GaAs PALs, not ECL. :-) Stan