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From: tim@hoptoad.uucp (Tim Maroney)
Newsgroups: news.groups,talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Updated Call for Votes: talk.religion.pagan
Message-ID: <9698@hoptoad.uucp>
Date: 16 Jan 90 14:41:31 GMT
References: <130273@sun.Eng.Sun.COM>
Reply-To: tim@hoptoad.UUCP (Tim Maroney)
Organization: Eclectic Software, San Francisco
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Some background for news.groups readers.  Turnbow has been calling for
the moderator of the proposed newsgroup talk.religion.pagan to delete
anything Turnbow finds offensive, not just proselytizing messages.
Since the original charter calls for the moderator to use his powers
only to delete proselytizing, I considered this a call to extend the
moderator power beyond the proposal which people have been voting on;
that is, to give him a power which he would not have by mandate from
a hypothetical successful vote for talk.religion.pagan.  Turnbow
continues to insist that anything "inflammatory" should be deleted.

In article <130273@sun.Eng.Sun.COM> williamt@sun.UUCP (William A. Turnbow)
writes:
>>	proselytizing or preaching. The newsgroup shall be
>>	moderated, but the moderation is explicitly limited
>>	to the weeding out of off-charter messages (it is by
>>	no means to extend to the editing of messages, or
>>	the removal of messages because of a disagreement
>>	between the moderator and any other party).
>
>	Tim -- here is a recap of the charter.  I can't seem to find how
>you got the idea that moderation was limited to eliminating 'fundy'
>messages.  Anything that is off charter, including gratuitous flaming
>seems to be covered.

This is creative editing.  The actual passage, from which Turnbow has
carefully deleted the beginning and the end, does explicitly limit the
moderation to the removal of proselytizing:

	[The newsgroup] is explicitly not a place for 
        proselytizing or preaching. The newsgroup shall be
        moderated, but the moderation is explicitly limited
        to the weeding out of off-charter messages (it is by
        no means to extend to the editing of messages, or
        the removal of messages because of a disagreement
        between the moderator and any other party). (The
        moderation is only included because that seems to
        be the _only_ way to ensure that off-charter attempts
        to prosyletize are not posted).

"Off-charter messages" is clearly stated to apply only to messages
which proselytize or preach; the sole purpose of moderation is said to
be the removal of such messages.

The sentences directly before and after Turnbow's quote plainly
contradict Turnbow's interpretation, so they were edited out, leaving
only the vague central sentence.  This is also the person who continued
to call for votes after the end of the voting period; I hope this makes
clear his level of honesty.
-- 
Tim Maroney, Mac Software Consultant, sun!hoptoad!tim, tim@toad.com

FROM THE FOOL FILE:
"In any religion or form of worship, followers should be allowed to think
 for themselves.  In every religion that has a god other than Jesus Christ,
 adherents are not allowed to think for themselves."
    -- Lauren Stratford, "Satan's Underground"