Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!clyde.concordia.ca!uunet!wuarchive!uwm.edu!psuvax1!rutgers!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: jrossi@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Nobody) Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Pulling Out ( Question For Anti-Contraceptionists ) Message-ID: Date: 15 Jan 90 08:43:01 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA Lines: 37 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu It has been suggested that God alone decides when intimate relationships are to result in conception, and while we may engage in sexual acts for pleasure without intending to have children, we are at to accept without question when those actions result in conception. Let us examine one particular situation. Lets say an individual, for unique particular reasons, *enjoys* the feel of an orgasm outside the woman's body, and while open to the possibility of children ( they may even on occasion stay in just because they want to concieve) they much prefer to pull out. They enjoy sex much more this way. Is this person violating the will of God? I am aware of the story of Onan so let me just add that while the side effect of this is contra- ception, it is not the *primary* reason for the action. If intimate relations can be engaged in past child bearing years ( as D. Meilke suggests ) then it is being said that sex can be engaged in solely for the purpose of pleasure, and if someone finds sex pleasurable in this manner, then it can't be considered wrong. Another question. Lets suppose a married Christian man has to go in for an operation, and needs a blood transfusion, and in the process unfortunately gets exposed to HIV. Would it then be wrong, if now that he is HIV postive, that he wear a condem to protect his wife. Would you argue that God may want an HIV positve baby born so that possibly a new found cure might further glorify Him. Would the wife have to expose herself to HIV in order to be in compliance with the will of God. Or would the couple have to completely refrain from sexual activity at this point. Could a condem at this point be used without contradicting scriptures? -- -jrossi@jato.jpl.nasa.gov ...the love shack is a little 'ol place -ames!elroy!jato!jrossi where we can G E T T O G E T H E R. **********************STANDARD DISCLAIMER******************************