Xref: utzoo news.groups:16685 alt.config:1418 news.newusers.questions:1312 Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!iuvax!cica!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!snorkelwacker!mit-eddie!apollo!moynihan_r From: moynihan_r@apollo.HP.COM (Robert Moynihan) Newsgroups: news.groups,alt.config,news.newusers.questions Subject: Re: Skinhead newsgroup Message-ID: <482d0569.20b6d@apollo.HP.COM> Date: 21 Jan 90 23:47:00 GMT References: <1231@rsiatl.UUCP> <48215758.20b6d@apollo.HP.COM> <2600@becker.UUCP> Sender: root@apollo.HP.COM Reply-To: moynihan_r@apollo.hp.com (Robert Moynihan) Organization: Apollo Computer, Chelmsford, MA Lines: 88 - Okay, a brief recap: John DeArmond proposed a skinheads newsgroup, saying that they have been mis-cast by the media. I replied that the skinheads are extremely vile and evil. There were various messages that followed, concernin them, including information I was unaware of: That the original skinheads are nothing like the ones that tout the white supremacist, neo-nazi claptrap. I confess, I had had never heard of peaceful, understanding, love-thy-neighbor skinheads. If these things are true, and if Mr. DeArmond is defending those original people, then perhaps his proposal has merit. But my favorite message is this one: > > Hey, Bob (if that's really your name), listen up. > Yes, it's my name, why would I use another? I'm listening. > YOU are a bigoted asshole. > Thank you very much, nice to know you have a colorful vocabulary. How can you judge an individual you have never met? I was judging a group I have heard of many times, one that has invariably shown itself to be as I stated. If there are others that go by that name that are otherwise, I never heard of it before. Pardon me for being so vocal. Racism really ticks me off. > The skinhead community, just like many others, > has certainly got its share of rightwing dodos > aching for extinction. > Those are the only ones I have ever heard of. > But also, like many others, there are some > pretty amazing people among them who don't > share those views. > So several people have said since I posted my diatribe. If that's the case, mayhap Mr. DeArmond has a point. > How well does a skinhead using the net fit in > with your tiny concepts? > What tiny concepts? Like the concept that people should be able to live, work, play, and go to school wherever they choose, without fear that someone else will try to harm or kill them or their families? People that preach hatred and violence towards those who are different from them SOMETIMES make me wish that there were limitations on free speech. However, I realize that would do more harm than good, so later, when I feel more rational, I dismiss the thought. Anyone may use the net if they have access, skinhead or otherwise. It's a free country. Likewise, if there are enough people that feel that a skinhead group is a good idea, there will be one. If discussion of it shows me that the neo- nazis are a distinct minority, and that the REAL skinheads are the good ones mentioned by several others, I'll vote FOR it. Otherwise, I'll vote AGAINST it. I have a right to my opinion, as you have a right to yours - my existance as an anal oriface notwithstanding. > John has asked for help to overcome the image > problem that skinheads seem to have - you better > find out what he's got in mind before you open > your mouth. > I call them as I see them. If I'm wrong, show me. Insulting me won't make me see your point. Fortunately, I'm a lot more open minded than you think, so it won't make me ignore you either. >Growl, >-- Feed your dog. > ,,,, Bruce Becker Toronto, Ont. >w \$$/ Internet: bdb@becker.UUCP, bruce@gpu.utcs.toronto.edu > `/c/-e BitNet: BECKER@HUMBER.BITNET >_/ >_ "Money is the root of all money" - Adam Have a nice day. Bob ============================///==================================== moynihan_r@apollo.hp.com /// "Winners are losers who got up and Plink: Moynihan \\\/// gave it just one more try." Hewlett-Packard/Apollo \XX/ -Dennis DeYoung