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From: jmi@devsim.mdcbbs.com (JM Ivler - MDC - Douglas Aircraft - Long Beach, CA)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Skinhead newsgroup
Message-ID: <528.25bb28d2@devsim.mdcbbs.com>
Date: 22 Jan 90 15:37:54 GMT
References: <1231@rsiatl.UUCP> <48215758.20b6d@apollo.HP.COM> <4005@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU>
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In article <4005@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU>, someone@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Mike Benefield) writes:
> In article <48215758.20b6d@apollo.HP.COM> moynihan_r@apollo.hp.com (Robert Moynihan) writes:
>>In article <1231@rsiatl.UUCP> jgd@rsiatl.UUCP (John G. De Armond) writes:
>>>
>>>This is wholly untrue, and I would like to start a newsgroup for and
>>>about skinheads.  
>>
>>The skinhead movement is a bunch of uneducated, racist juvenile delinquents.
>>They tout the absurdity of white supremacy to the world as a way to make 
>>themselves feel that their inability to make anything of their lives is a 
>>result of some great "black consipracy", and not their unwillingness to work 
>>for their own betterment.  For all intents and purposes, they are the teens
>>of the KKK.
>>
>>How is this not a terribly evil thing?
>>
>>>
>>>How do I do it ? 
>>
>>Spare us, please.  This sort of bigoted trash the world can do without.
>>
> 
> Okay, I'll agree with EVERYTHING he said about how horrible the skins
> are.  Every time I see a skin, adrenaline rushes through my veins and
> I put my hand on my knife.  Skins may be a real danger today but that
> doesn't mean that they shouldn't be allowed to speak.  If you try to
> censor anything, then you end up just as low as Tom Metzger.
> 	"I don't agree with what you are saying, but I'll defend to
> the death your right to say it" 
> 

If the *.aquaria debate wasn't enough for news.groups to deal with, this one 
will be full of flamage. I agree that any "person" who wishes to use the net 
has that right, and that the net should support the freedom of speach in every 
possible way, but I tend to agree that this should be established as a mailing 
list first, and then, if successful, a newsgroup.

The use of a mailing list will show if this group would generate enough 
interest to require newsgroup status (ie: will it garner enough votes to become 
a newsgroup?). It is important to remember that *any* newsgroup can be killed 
with enough no votes, and that skinheads as a group are not viewed as being the 
most democratic and open of sub-cultures.

At this point, I would have to state that opening a call for discussion on a 
new newsgroup on skinheads would not be in the best interest of those who wish 
to participate in such a group, nor those that wish to see no such group in 
existence. Go with a mailing list.

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On a more personal note, If all such persons who propogate only hate and 
mistrust of thier fellow man were to suddenly contract a fatal disease (note 
that I did not specifically state any such groups name) I would not shed a 
single moments thought to thier plight. WE ARE HUMANKIND!

JMI jmi@devsim.mdcbbs.com