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From: kim@watnow.waterloo.edu (T. Kim Nguyen)
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Subject: Re: alt.sex.bondage
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Date: 25 Jan 90 13:02:22 GMT
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In-reply-to: sccowan@watmsg.waterloo.edu's message of 25 Jan 90 00:01:35 GMT

In article <33573@watmath.waterloo.edu> sccowan@watmsg.waterloo.edu
(S. Crispin Cowan) writes: 
   In article <20130@watdragon.waterloo.edu>
   mskucherawy@crocus.waterloo.edu (Murray S. Kucherawy) writes:  

   >Though I don't read alt.sex.bondage myself, it seems to me that you
   >were really asking to be offended when you entered that news group
   >to read it.

   This is true.  Unfortunately, the world is populated in part by pushy,
   conservative twits (none of the people in this discussion) in
   important jobs.

   The case, as I see it, is:
	   1.  Ethically, there is nothing wrong with carrying the group;
	       as you said, if you don't like the tone of something, then
	       don't read it.
	[...and other points...]

I am not a "pushy conservative twit" but I feel that the content of
that posting was truly disgusting and actually quite frightening.
Usually I am quite strongly against censorship, but this sort of
rape/hurting/debasing type of fantasy is warped and twisted.  I
believe everyone should be able to fantasize, but hey I'm sorry none
of the fantasies I had imagined NORMAL people to have involved the
kind of garbage described in "Cindy's Torment".  There are fantasies
and then there are fantasies, but I would fear the person who gets his
or her jollies from tormenting, torturing, violating, and dehumanizing
people.  Disclaimers and warnings or not, you might as well use the
network to disseminate hate propaganda.  If Canadians found the Zundel
case disturbing, "Cindy's Torment" is hate propaganda directed towards
(at the very least) women -- a considerably larger minority than Jews.
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