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From: mskucherawy@dahlia.waterloo.edu (Murray S. Kucherawy)
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Subject: Re: alt.sex.bondage
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Date: 25 Jan 90 19:56:17 GMT
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In article <KIM.90Jan25080222@watnow.waterloo.edu> kim@watnow.waterloo.edu (T. Kim Nguyen) writes:
>I am not a "pushy conservative twit" but I feel that the content of
>that posting was truly disgusting and actually quite frightening.
>Usually I am quite strongly against censorship, but this sort of
>rape/hurting/debasing type of fantasy is warped and twisted.  I
>believe everyone should be able to fantasize, but hey I'm sorry none
>of the fantasies I had imagined NORMAL people to have involved the
>kind of garbage described in "Cindy's Torment".  There are fantasies
>and then there are fantasies, but I would fear the person who gets his
>or her jollies from tormenting, torturing, violating, and dehumanizing
>people.  Disclaimers and warnings or not, you might as well use the
>network to disseminate hate propaganda.  If Canadians found the Zundel
>case disturbing, "Cindy's Torment" is hate propaganda directed towards
>(at the very least) women -- a considerably larger minority than Jews.
>--
>T. Kim Nguyen 				  kim@watsup.waterloo.{edu|cdn}
>					        kim@watsup.uwaterloo.ca
>			    {uunet|utzoo|utai|decvax}watmath!watsup!kim
>Systems Design Engineering  --  University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada

I'm afraid my point wasn't entirely clear. I don't condone the postings
of such dehumanizing things as that story (as a matter of fact, I found
it rather disgusting as well). My point is that it is unfair of the
various site administrators to complain that they were offended and
that the news group should be discontinued, when just by the name
of the newsgroup, the posting's title, and the disclaimer's
and the warning's texts, they should hve been well aware of the potential
of the material to be grossly offensive.

Thanks to S. Crispin Cowan for his support.

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Murray S. Kucherawy                                    "Betcha byte a chip!"
E-Mail: mskucherawy@{watmath | dahlia | crocus | trillium}.waterloo.edu
Faculty of Mathematics (Comp Sci), University of Waterloo, Waterloo, Ontario
Gamesmaster/Postmaster, UW Computer Science Club (watcsc.waterloo.edu)
System Manager, VAX/VMS Network, Board of Education, London, Ontario